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Old Oct 12, 2021 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Darklands
142;80 € per lifter at Rose Passion
Bargain!
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Old Oct 12, 2021 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thepurpleblob
Ok - but a complete set of 16 new tappets would be (taking the first price I found) FIVE THOUSAND of our British pounds. That's insane and isn't happening. Plus, I haven't had an engine failure - it was iffy compression and some annoying oil leaks (rear main seal it turns out).
Well, for what my opinion is worth, I'd be reluctant to "stir up/break lose" the thick oil mud sediment inside of them.
I'd never turn them on their side or upside down, to keep that debris from moving about.
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Old Oct 12, 2021 | 07:20 PM
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I don't know if it will help in this case but when I was searching for replacement brake caliper pistons for my daily driver (E60 M5), the rear pistons were simply not available anywhere I could find in the US. Instead, I found that there were a ton of options available in Europe and maybe you'll be at a slight advantage in this case.

I've run across this site a few times now (search actually turns up yoyopart.com, but it redirects me to the link I've pasted in), in searching for hard to find or NLA parts and it's given me a few things to look for from manufacturers which seem to be rather unknown over here: http://www.kakapart.com/oem/partscro...810531106.html

Like I said, I don't know how applicable some of those things will be, or what the general quality is of some of those manufacturers but it might be worth looking into, given the pricing you're seeing for the OEM parts. That said, there are parts listed as Direct Interchange, so maybe there's something available. It seems to me that the 32V engines have had some success with the VW parts so maybe you'll find the same with something from that list.

That link goes to one set of listings but if you enter "928105311" in the search box it looks like the part is listed in a few places in their records. I haven't checked to see if they all lead to the same place.

Good luck
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Old Oct 13, 2021 | 04:03 AM
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Picture of 928/944 2-valve hydraulic lifter (38 mm) in halves.
The 2-valve lifters are difficult to take apart for cleaning. Thanks to Adam in Tasmania, he is showing us here how it is done.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...6v-1978-a.html
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Old Oct 13, 2021 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Darklands
142;80 € per lifter at Rose Passion
I have conducted an extensive search for an alternative to the Porsche 928 2-valve hydraulic lifter (38 mm) which as you know is extremely expensive.
Unfortunately I have not been able to source an alternativ but there is a low cost 40 mm lifter for MB which I believe can be used if you are prepared to machine out the bores in the camshaft housing.
https://www.autodoc.co.uk/ina/238400...20%200001%2010)
Åke
PS More alternatives https://www.autodoc.co.uk/spares-sea...OEN+6010500080

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Old Oct 13, 2021 | 10:40 AM
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Lifter rebuilt service in Florida.
Åke
https://944online.com/rebuilt-lifter.html
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Old Oct 14, 2021 | 11:18 PM
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For anyone interested, I dug through my pictures.

32 valve cam follower with top cut off. Easy to see the 6mm deep reservoir which collects sludge and debris from engine failure.
If one can remove the hydraulic portion, these are possible to clean with a "J" shaped tool hooked up to a home water pick.
(Just don't tell your wife what you used the water pick for. Flush it out a couple of times to get rid of whatever you used as a cleaner/solvent. And wipe off the greasy fingerprints, before sneaking it back into the house.)




I will need to dig a bit more to find a picture of a 16 valve liter cut open.
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Old Oct 14, 2021 | 11:37 PM
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Decided to see how many mineral spirit flushes were necessary to clean the 32 valve lifters. Turns out it's 4.

Plenty of metal shavings flushed out along the way. More shards appeared in the 2nd and 3rd flush than the first flush.




1st - 3rd flush results of 32 valve lifters

4th - 5th flush results

Oil left over from final oil flush before use in my 88 engine.

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Old Oct 15, 2021 | 04:08 AM
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The problem is the 38mm 16V lifters which are difficult to disassemble for cleaning.
The 38mm lifters are also extremely expensive.
The 35mm lifters for the 32V engines are easy to disassemble and clean and much cheaper to buy.
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Old Oct 15, 2021 | 09:18 AM
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4€ the piece is very bad loan for the cleaning job and the risk leaving some debris in the engine.

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Old Oct 16, 2021 | 07:30 PM
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You guys are like mad scientists. Very impressive, the vast repository of knowledge here.
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Old Oct 26, 2021 | 10:07 AM
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I don't know where you ended up but here's another option (no affiliation, no idea what solid vs hydraulic means for engine performance, longevity, etc.): https://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/SOLIDS16V.html

At the very least, the exchange rate would work well in your favor.

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Old Oct 26, 2021 | 10:12 AM
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This reminds me of back in the day we used to replace the hydraulic lifters in Opel engines with solid ones. Mostly because they were super cheap. Those engines still had adjustable rocker arms even with hydraulic lifters so no hassle.

I can't see how these will work. They'll just rattle like hell I expect. Plus the price is entertaining.

Still, thanks for the info
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Old Oct 26, 2021 | 10:17 AM
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I know you said at the outset that you didn't want to buy new lifters; it's just been on my mind as an unresolved thing.

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Old Oct 26, 2021 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Zirconocene
I know you said at the outset that you didn't want to buy new lifters; it's just been on my mind as an unresolved thing.

Cheers
I'm trying to keep the cost within some vaguely sensible limits. My wife and I have a different view on what that limit is
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