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Old 08-29-2020, 03:58 PM
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Default 86.5 5 Speed Driveline Vibration

Locally owned. Less than 80k on the clock, sat in a storage unit for ten years. Museum piece in most respects. Local is going through it and asked me to drive it.

About 5000 RPMs crazy driveline vibration. Clutch in or out. Vibration is present at lower RPMs but nothing close to above 5000.

Twin disc clutch. Knowing little of them, can they be out of balance? I've felt TT related vibrations in the past in the 1500 to 2000 RPM range.

Another thing I found interesting. Under normal driving the shift from 1st to 2nd is uneventful.

Under hard acceleration shifter wants to go from 1st to 4th. I've never experienced anything like that. I had to repeat it few times to confirm it.

Could that be related to driveline vibration?

Old 08-29-2020, 05:20 PM
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What state are the engine mounts and harmonic balancer in?
Old 08-29-2020, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gazfish
What state are the engine mounts and harmonic balancer in?
New mounts. Original harmonic balancer with 76k miles.
Old 08-29-2020, 05:31 PM
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is it running on all 8 cylinders? if not that creates huge vibrations in driveline
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Probable front TT bearing migration backward (very typical failure for 5-speeds) which leaves a long unsupported drive shaft length at front.
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Old 08-31-2020, 12:32 AM
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I think we're going to start with a compression test.
Old 08-31-2020, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta
...About 5000 RPMs crazy driveline vibration. Clutch in or out. Vibration is present at lower RPMs but nothing close to above 5000.
Originally Posted by Constantine
Probable front TT bearing migration backward (very typical failure for 5-speeds) which leaves a long unsupported drive shaft length at front.
Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta
I think we're going to start with a compression test.

Old 08-31-2020, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta
New mounts. Original harmonic balancer with 76k miles.

So it's probly cracked...but this wont cause that much vibration.

Id go with TT bearings moving first too.
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Car is not firing on all 8 cylinders. Next to check injectors and spark.

All the the spark plugs look like this:


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Old 09-02-2020, 05:57 PM
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Harmonic balancer looked OK when we did the TB. Rebuilt Injectors - one could be sticking.
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Old 09-02-2020, 06:13 PM
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[Pedantic] Rebuilt injectors? Or ultrasonically cleaned injectors? [/Pedantic]
Those plugs look fine from here.

How many dowels are installed in the pressure plate and tapped into their holes in the flywheel? Just because you have all 6 pressure plate bolts installed doesn't mean the clutch assembly is centered radially, and it can vibrate like crazy. Ask me how I know.
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Let's go with "refurbished" - new filter, O rings, spacers and pintle cap, cleaned and flow matched.
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That's a pretty good OED definition of 'refurbished', Roger, I'd go with that.

I had a very similar driveline vibration in the '89 GT I redid last year until I installed the dowel pins back in the pressure plate. I know the dual disc is a much smaller PP but it's still dowel-centered in '84 through '86, if I'm understanding PET correctly.
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Owner brought the car to a knowledgeable 928 mechanic to swap the TT and remarked upon listening to the engine that the car was not running on all cylinders - that was unprompted.

Not saying either one of us is right, but I would still like to rule out the engine as the source of the vibration.

Owner plans on doing a compression test this weekend.

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Talked with the owner a few nights ago and we discussed multiple failure scenarios for these vibrations.

I too have some reservation it being only the TT, but thought to throw it out as a suggestion. Hopefully we'll get the report shortly with a complete diagnosis.

Owner did say how much he appreciated Kevin's and Roger's help with the 928 and what a great 928 owner community we have as 928ers.

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