Daniel5691

So the dude that wrenches for Hoovie spent some time looking at a 928.
The topic of his episode was "cars that you buy cheap and can't afford to actually fix".
The 928 content starts at 14:55

ajc283

This guy presents a dismal view of the 928 because he only repairs the car. If he took the time to drive that 928 he would probably understand the engineering that went into designing that car and how much better it drives than most of the other cars in his shop. I disagree with the fact this the 928 will not appreciate, with time, the 928 will continue to gain value if properly maintained. This particular 928 needs an overhaul but has a 5 speed and is mostly an unmolested early car. Have more faith!

dr bob

"Dismal" equals "realistic" in so many cases, unfortunately. There are certainly hidden gems, and one's idea of what makes a car driveable or even just usable varies a lot. So much is about managing expectations, including your own. From the video, the point of view is from someone who holds the tools professionally, and has overhead plus his time to consider when he looks at a customer project. In that cold light, not many 928 projects make sense. The Jim Bailey saying about a car that's $10k away from being a $5k car still plays true. The market has not been kind to the cars, mostly because the not-gems outnumber the gems by a lot. Premium examples do draw well, but the not-gems still seem to anchor the market for all but the real gems.

Like to do the resto work yourself at a discounted labor rate? Can you do some of the cosmetic stuff yourself? I could probably recover the seats from a kit, but it wouldn't be as good as the factory or a Classic9 job. I know how to do paint prep but wouldn't consider it these days in my home workshop. The 928 mechanical stuff is certainly doable, especially with the forum members' guidance. Bottom line is the distance between what you buy and what you want, less the stuff you can or more specifically are willing to do yourself, and the cost of parts thrown in for good measure. Would I swear off projects completely? No, but... I find that I'm using a much more jaundiced eye when I look at car projects. A client rep in the Carolinas was looking at the Bentley market, and figured he could easily get into a five-year-old example cheap for his wife to daily-drive instead of her Honda Accord. I gave him the "deferred-maintenance nightmare" lecture. He was unable to find even a dealer within her normal touring area, meaning that it would be a jaunt to get anything done conveniently. It's teh same recipe that brings us bargain 928's, where one little thing gets overlooked, then another and another, until the deferred list is overwhelming.

Decide how much you want to bite off, knowing you'll typically end up having to chew a whole lot more. Sometimes buying a "choice" cut for twice the price means a fraction of the chewing. Plus you get to enjoy the better flavor sooner. So much is about managing expectations, including your own.

SteveG

I did not catch the part about 928s not appreciating, perhaps my attention drifted as he was mostly talking about non 928 issues, i.e., whether to put money into (any) car, a purely pragmatic decision for him. He was for the most part Capt. Obvious for this audience. That is not unusual; most indys see a vehicle as that which gets you from point A to B, which is NOT what any sports car is about. This particular video barely qualifies as 928 related. Useful for a newby trying to decide whether to pull the trigger, but for the 928, time is better spent reading the New Visitor Thread and weighing the decision against your bank bal. It's in the thread.

gazfish

Must have been a small light building that fell on it.

dzaprev

If you do not know how to work on a 928 it could be hard. Everyone I get is usually a simple problem that people over look and let it sit. Dr Bob with you being a electrical whiz they should be easy to work on for you. I thought first timing belt I did was a pain in the *** by the 3rd one I was like this is simple.

GregBBRD

I didn't bother to watch this...but there is an obvious question:
Who the hell is Hoovie and why do we care what his mechanic thinks?

worf928

This was my first thought too. ——^

Rob Edwards

Hoovie is a YouTuber in Kansas with about a million subscribers who buys the cheapest examples of interesting cars, and then chronicles the financial pain of getting them repaired, or not. He's silly but very self-deprecating, it's an interesting premise and some of the videos are entertaining. Consider it harmless brain candy.

GT6ixer

Lol..well ironically Greg I thought the same thing when I started looking into buying my first 928 about 10 years ago. A lot of ads referenced their cars having, "Greg Brown this" and "Greg Brown that". And as neophyte to the 928 world I thought, "Who the heck is this guy and why do I care that this car has been worked on by him?" Well now I know.

But to answer your questions, I've watched a lot of Hoovie's Garage and his "Car Wizard" mechanic, and don't worry Greg, The Car Wizard ain't no Greg Brown.

NoVector

Labor aside, with Porsche bending us over with 500-800% price increases, NLA parts, and eliminating OEM, this guy's dead-on. $600+ for a FPR? Gimme a f'n break...

The Forgotten On

Porsche classic is no Mercedes Classic that is for sure when it comes to Prices. Mercedes put price controls on most of their classic stuff to keep it attainable at least.

Just compare a trans vacuum modulator from Porsche and the same part from MB, MB charges ~$45 while Porsche MSRP is $93.

Porsche is really taking us all for a ride at the rate things are going unless they allow OEMs to make runs of parts to subsidize the costs..

GregBBRD

Someone has to pay for Dieselgate.
You didn't expect VW to pay those fines out of profits, did you?

The fines were simply passed onto the customers...and instead of raising the price on the new cars (which would make them harder to sell), they just raised the prices on parts.
A "real" penalty would have been:
"You can't sell VW's in the US for a year." That would have left an impression on the company, to not to cheat on US smog laws.
As it is, they could care less.

Justin Tyme

*Couldn't care less*

The inference is that your care level is so low it's not possible to drop it further.

I've noticed many Americans incorrectly say "Could care less"...... must be a US thing.

Pedantic I know, but I'm not above it.

slownrusty

Yawn...this self proclaimed "Wizard" did not have anything specific to say, he talked in so many generalities that I was nodding off. He at least said that the owner enjoys owning and driving the 928 and it actually drives well, so my take away is that the 928 is a good car to own.