GregBBRD

No surprise, Mary and Kyle have me locked in the engine/transmission room, finishing a 964 Tiptronic for Singer, with only brief forays out into the "real world".

I tell them that I only work on 928's, these days, but they can't find anyone else that knows how to do one of those animals....much less do one that will handle the extra power they put into their cars.

I'll try and call you, tomorrow/send you a text.

77tony

well if it’s the ultimate build you want you’ve made the right call

dr bob

Knowing what [little] I do about such things, I'd be hunting for a 86.5 car to back-date cosmetically to meet my OB expectations. That way I could have later S4 running gear and the 32V horsepower, later gearbox. Fitting early Pascha interior bits into the later car is bolts and snaps. The rear rubber lip spoiler would need to come off and the holes get filled and painted. Were it me...

abrescia

thats kind of what I’m doing-86.5 with phone dials, some pasha, Blaupunkt Bremen, analog clock (although it’s rectangular and not round)

GregBBRD

Van's 86.5 that I built, with the 6.5 liter engine, is a magnificent car, no doubt about that!

There's just something special about the earlier 2 valve cars, with less weight and trick suspension/ brakes. A few hundred pounds makes a huge difference!

dr bob

So where does the couple hundred pounds of "extra" weight come from? Thinking the 32V engine and maybe the gearbox. More power, bigger/better brakes, matched with skinny 16" wheels and tires, might offer a balance between the two. Going up to a stroker in the vein of the ones you've done for Van and Jim/Sue would even more quickly help one forget the lighter weight advantage of the early cars. The OB's are closer to a sports car than a GT, partly because you have to/ get to/ can always push it some to make it perform more like a sports car.

But, this isn't about trying to reshape the OP's dream of a great original-or-better OB. It's about identifying a car and the resources needed to fulfill that dream. Let me step out of the way.

vanster

I can't say enough about my 86.5 that Greg built for me. I drive it a lot and hard and never has it disappointed me. I think I have about 20k miles since GB built the stroker. I'm shooting for at least 100k and more. The torque is addicting and the "Big Blacks" GTS brakes are wonderful. Having owned and with lots of miles on an '80, the 2 cars are very different. My 86.5 weighs 3310#'s wet ( half a tank of gas).
Personally I would not buy an automatic as all my cars have been manual ( theft prevention ). The 16v cars are more like a 911T. Easy to drive and they will even run on regular gas. 6.5 strokers are a different animal, but the good news is that they are both wonderful. You can't go wrong and if you have GB build it for you then you have years of fun.

GregBBRD

Tough to explain weight and the effects. Even a few hundred pounds is significant.
For instance, the difference between driving an early 911S and even a '78 911SC is incredible.

drooman

My general theory of the weight gain...
sound insulation...could be my imagination but 87-on just seem more QUIET inside.
sunroofs
electric seats
airbags
computers/ wiring
larger brakes
rear air
larger wheels/tires

adds up

vanster

My wish was to own a Club Sport. My 86.5 is about as close as a mere mortal can get. Jeff Molher aka speedtoys and insulated the heck out of his S4 with Rexal sound deadening. It's quiet as a tomb without adding a much weight. It makes the car feel much heavier than it is.

vanster

Maybe the ultimate 928 would be an 86.5, sans spoilers, new Pasha sport seats interior, no rub strips or sunroof, painted a 78-79 color with a 32v GB stroke motor 5sp, custom phone dials that would fit big brakes.

GregBBRD

Here's a picture of a blue Pasha seat (with black leather) sitting in my office, waiting for it's car to return from paint.

Stunning color.

77tony

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That^^would be killer combo but would swap in 991.1 18 ways reupholstered in pascha/leather....this would be the best seats eva IMHO. IIRC there were a few spoiler/sunroof delete 86 cars...Rob would know. T

abrescia

Why is the sunroof so reviled? Is it because of weight? I love driving with my sunroof open.

77tony

It most certainly is^^. Was black/blue pascha w/cork ever been available ?

1) adds weight up high 2) adds complexity and maintenance 3) roof opening is kinda small 4) you'll lose approx. 1.5" of headroom (not good for taller peeps) 5) takes away from the smooth, flowing lines as do side rub strips, US rear bumpettes, spoilers, etc.,...particularly on OB's YMMV. T