Need some Advice - '81 Euro 5-speed 928 Looking to Possibly Sell
#32
Your car looks great, and a great choice to keep it.
Good luck.
Good luck.
#33
Nordschleife Master
I paid $4600 for all 3. $2600 for the 84 and tan 86.5 (package) and $2000 for the blue 86.5, but none of them looked in a good of shape as the OP's. It depends on what you want to do with it too. If you just want something to drive as is, it might not be worth the money to fix. In my case I wanted a project to keep me busy. Lots of time and about 2 grand into my blue car it's mechanically sound and I'm really not too much in the hole compared to what it's worth. Actually, I think in addition to me having low standards I just have nothing better to do than fix old junk... keeps me out of trouble.
We all have different standards. Mine are 'good mechanicals, appearance isn't all that important'.
You like stuff to work on. I don't mind doing the work, but I want to drive it.
It's good that we all have these different perspectives and wants. Keeps it interesting.
Answering "Hey guys, what do you think of THIS one?" is a really popular activity on here.
Sometimes it's an E-Bay or C/L ad, sometimes it's someones car (as you discovered, 'fishing' for a price is considered equivalent to a 'for sale' thread and requires membership).
The "brain trust"on here knows these cars very well and will give honest opinions. And the rest of the peanut gallery will usually toss in their $0.02 also. Posting one's own car often requires a very thick skin.
Welcome. As you've found, we are a (mostly) friendly and helpful bunch.
If you haven't already, read through the 'New Visitor' sticky. Filled with lots and lots of useful info about these cars. And lots of links to more info (writeups, tutorials, parts sources, ect).
I would strongly suggest getting the car running. Based on your more thorough description, the CIS system needs a good cleaning and 'going through'. Not for the faint of heart, it's got lots of tiny parts, is extremely sensitive and 'fiddly', needs to be really clean and set up right.
But it's not all that complicated. And if you can read and follow directions well, it's doable by the competent home mechanic. There's currently several threads on CIS troubleshooting/fixing (there's a video on the basics of how it works in the "New Visitor" sticky, too).
Dunno what you have in them, but there are a couple of tool chests in your garage. How much of your own work can you do?
Based on your story, you really have to keep this car. C'mon. How many of us can say that we drive a 928 that our mom drove for decades.
Besides, having your daughter eventually drive 'Grandma's Car' would be something really special.
Good luck, keep us posted and don't hesitate to come back with any questions that arise.
#37
Nordschleife Master
A few more things:
If you decide to get the car running (keep or sell) there are a few things that really should be addressed.
Fuel lines under the hood & power steering pressure lines. If you don't have a record of them being replaced, they need to be. They're nearly 40 years old. They carry flammable liquid at high pressure very near high heat ignition sources (exhaust manifold). There's no real way to evaluate their condition. They look great, right until they let go. At which time you get to find out how fast your fire department responds and how cooperative your insurance company is (or isn't). Roger Tyson at 928s R Us carries a very good replacement fuel line set made by Greg Brown of Precision Motorwerks. Not cheap, but well worth it.
Since it's been sitting, change the oil and flush the coolant & brake/clutch fluid. You will change out the gas when you clean out the fuel system.
Timing belt and water pump likely need to be done. Since it's a 4.5L 16v, it's not an interference motor. You can defer the job without worrying about destroying the motor (later cars are interference and will do considerable damage if the belt fails).
The driver's seat can be fitted with a new 'skin'. Classic 9 is one of the better (and better known on here) shops. The original owner recently retired, but has apparently been training a replacement for a while. You can ship the seat to them and have it redone, or simply get a new 'skin' from them and have an upholstery shop local to you install it (saves a good bit on shipping). A friend went with the 'get the skin and have it installed locally' route with his 924. The seats look great.
If you decide to get the car running (keep or sell) there are a few things that really should be addressed.
Fuel lines under the hood & power steering pressure lines. If you don't have a record of them being replaced, they need to be. They're nearly 40 years old. They carry flammable liquid at high pressure very near high heat ignition sources (exhaust manifold). There's no real way to evaluate their condition. They look great, right until they let go. At which time you get to find out how fast your fire department responds and how cooperative your insurance company is (or isn't). Roger Tyson at 928s R Us carries a very good replacement fuel line set made by Greg Brown of Precision Motorwerks. Not cheap, but well worth it.
Since it's been sitting, change the oil and flush the coolant & brake/clutch fluid. You will change out the gas when you clean out the fuel system.
Timing belt and water pump likely need to be done. Since it's a 4.5L 16v, it's not an interference motor. You can defer the job without worrying about destroying the motor (later cars are interference and will do considerable damage if the belt fails).
The driver's seat can be fitted with a new 'skin'. Classic 9 is one of the better (and better known on here) shops. The original owner recently retired, but has apparently been training a replacement for a while. You can ship the seat to them and have it redone, or simply get a new 'skin' from them and have an upholstery shop local to you install it (saves a good bit on shipping). A friend went with the 'get the skin and have it installed locally' route with his 924. The seats look great.
#38
Rennlist Member
M28.09 4.5 16V177 kW928 Euro, manual 5-speed80 81 82
M28.10 4.5 16V177 kW928 Euro, automatic 3-speed80 81 82
M28.11 4.7 16V221 kW928 S Euro, manual 5-speed80 81 82 83
M28.12 4.7 16V221 kW928 S Euro, automatic 3-speed80 81 82 83
M28.10 4.5 16V177 kW928 Euro, automatic 3-speed80 81 82
M28.11 4.7 16V221 kW928 S Euro, manual 5-speed80 81 82 83
M28.12 4.7 16V221 kW928 S Euro, automatic 3-speed80 81 82 83
#39
Rennlist Member
I'm going to bet likely an S. Has a CORRECT spoiler installation which is no small task to accomplish on a non S car. Most "Spoiler upgrade" cars don't have the correct window gaskets and trim. As others have said the engine code and the VIN would tell the story.
Also, doesn't look like a parts car. Look at those dash gaps....that interior has had an easy life...and those look like sport seats. I'd love to find this on my end of the world.
Optimism doesn't always pay, but the times it does make up for it.
Also, doesn't look like a parts car. Look at those dash gaps....that interior has had an easy life...and those look like sport seats. I'd love to find this on my end of the world.
Optimism doesn't always pay, but the times it does make up for it.
Well I would have lost that bet....still a cool car in my book.
WP0ZZZ92ZBS800603
1981
C00 - German market
No engine number but should be an M28.09, engine serial # range 801 0001 >5000
No transmission number but should be a G28.05, transmission serial # range 11 10001>19999
M261 - Outside mirror - plain-Passenger's side, electrically adjustable and heatable
I282 - Rear sun visors
I401 - Wheel-cast aluminium alloy, telephone design, rim 7"X16, tire 225/50 VR 16
M418 - Protective side mouldings
I423 - Cassette container and coin box
I441 - Fader, antenna booster, 4 speakers
I565 - Safety steering wheel - leather (No idea what this is- the 4 spoke wheel? It exists on 303 cars overall, all 1980 modela, ~30 US market and the rest ROW)
M568 - Tinted windshield and side glass
M573 - Air conditioner, manual