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Old 06-05-2019, 10:56 AM
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In selling a 928 ,i wonder if non working ac impacts price significantly?
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Originally Posted by rosenfe View Post
In selling a 928 ,i wonder if non working ac impacts price significantly?
Overall I would say yes, it presents a non functioning system to the potential buyer with an unknown repair cost which they would try to negotiate down in purchase price. Additonally, I would think that trying to sell a car with non-functioning AC in Arizona in the summer would have a greater impact vs the fall in Vermont.
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Old 06-05-2019, 11:01 AM
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I would think it depends on location.

If you are in a 'warm' area, where A/C is pretty much essential, then it would be a bigger issue than, say, Wisconsin or Upper Michigan.

It also depends on the overall condition of the rest of the car.

Neither my 944 nor my 928 have working A/C and didn't when I bought them. I likely would have paid more if they worked, but it's hard to say how much more.
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Old 06-05-2019, 11:27 AM
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It adds a question mark over what other maintenance hasn’t been performed in the past, even if the rest of the car appears perfect.
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IMHO I would get it fixed before selling because it may be something trivial--like low on Freon. Alternatively, you could be upfront about it in your ad and say "I've reduced the price by $1,500 (example) to compensate for the non-working AC."
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I agree with the guys above. It will provide a negotiating point for the seller. Also it will reduce the number of people even interested in your car, even if you offer to take X dollars off the price. Some buyers won't want the hassle even at a reduced price. I'd say if the AC is the only non-functioning system on your car then look into what it will cost to fix it correctly. If however there are a handful of other non-operating items on the car, then you are further away from being able to advertise the desirable "needs nothing" description and may be best to sell it as-is.
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I'm always amazed with sellers trying to get top dollar for their cars with needs. Cosmetic is one thing but mechanical issues are another. I concur with all of the above. Or if you just want to sell it as a fixer then go for it.
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Originally Posted by NoVector View Post
IMHO I would get it fixed before selling because it may be something trivial--like low on Freon.
Low Freon isn't trivial, that means there is a leak which can be the most difficult aspect of properly fixing the A/C system.
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I took a pass on a Shark because the A/C was inop. This despite it being otherwise mechanically sound. If I had it to do over, I'd take the deal and fix the A/C, but I'm a 928 owner, therefore a glutton for (self-inflicted) punishment.
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"AC works, just needs a charge" is even more prevalent than "It ran when I parked it."

Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr View Post
Low Freon isn't trivial, that means there is a leak which can be the most difficult aspect of properly fixing the A/C system.
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Thanks for the input. I am not selling the car, but needed to be ok with not fixing ac now,and going for shock replacement first. I drive car once a week for 60 miles, so ac isnít crucial right now. I have had a lot of mechanical with Greg brown done, and that has been my first priority.
Fixing ac can be a can of worms, Iíll get to it
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My car came to me at a little less than 20k miles on it way back when. It had been in storage for a while, so the seller topped off the R12, put in a new battery, and added new tires to an already sweet deal. Within a couple months the AC needed another top-off... And some digging into history found that the car had needed that regularly since its first day. Hmmm.,..

IMHO, so much depends on how the rest of the car is represented. If it's a project, working AC is on the two-due list. OTOH, if it's represented as ready-to-drive-and-maintain, functioning AC is a requirement. A "needs nothing" car needs to have frostbite-capable refrigeration.

Knowing what I know now, a full HVAC system refurb will easily consume a few $k and a few days of fun, so there's a big difference between a car that has been topped off for sale purposes with a has-leaks disclosure, and one that's totally non-op. The totally non-op car is a $$$ mystery, a potentially slippery slope with hardware damage (corroded/leaking evaporator or condenser, broken compressor dangling from broken block ears, etc).

I'm also in the habit of disclosing everything when I sell an interesting car. If there's something that "just needs X", I perform that X and it shows up in the logbook. That drives away folks who are sale-price scavenging, fits well with folks who are shopping for the right car and are willing to pay for that.

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As far as buyers who try to negotiate down with lump discounts for "AC doesn't work" or whatever, starting at whatever my asking price is, I'm happy to accommodate. But lets start at the sticker price. Here's the sticker, BTW. With that in mind, I seldom find 928's that have reliable cold air conditioning. There are some, and many more with rather tepid AC that owners have come to accept as "OK". My car is currently 30 years old and working towards more. Other 928's are in the same boat just to different degrees (sorry...). Mine needed serious system attention at 8 years old, and damper/actuator attention at about 15 years old. It's quite likely that it will want another round of damper actuators in the next few years. Unless one has just completed a whole mechanical system and damper/actuator service, any 928 you buy will be a ticking AC time bomb. The recently-refreshed car is just ticking a little slower.
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Well put
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:50 PM
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My related question is how important is a functioning radio/audio system to the sale? I rarely listen when I drive, preferring to listen to the exhaust - even on long trips to SITM or Frenzy ( I hope I'm not alone)

I end up ripping out butchered audio system installs and replacing the radio with the cubby from 911 variants.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:12 PM
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Interesting topic and good responses.

When I bought mine both units worked as I recall.
I literally never turned the a/c on in the last nine years, and St. Louis is a mother during the summer.

I never saw it as a GT I guess, more as a sports car. If Iím in it, Iím driving for performance. So in my case it wouldnít be a big factor. I have a feeling I would be in the smaller demographic of buyers however.

Recently, when I deleted the A/C, it was with the full knowledge that this car is now mine forever, and potential resale value would be pretty grim.
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