Are 9x18 too large for front on 86.5
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Are 9x18 too large for front on 86.5
I found a nice set of 18's as follows:
F=9x18 ET 57
R=10x18 ET 47
The calculator says they'll fit depending on tire size but I'm having trouble determining what tires would be best and don't want to go to wide up front. Thought on these rims and offsets ?
Thanks
F=9x18 ET 57
R=10x18 ET 47
The calculator says they'll fit depending on tire size but I'm having trouble determining what tires would be best and don't want to go to wide up front. Thought on these rims and offsets ?
Thanks
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The fronts will fit.
The rears will be tight with that small offset.
The rears will be tight with that small offset.
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When trying to squeeze that much wheel under the front fenders, every millimeter counts. Not every tire in the same "size" is actually the same size. This can vary from brand to brand. I've seen over an inch difference in width of two tires of the same "size" from different companies.
Pay attention to section width, you'll see this varies between brands / models of tires in the same "size"
It's also going to boil down to what's available in whatever combination you choose.
The goal is a 25" diameter tire
Front:
225/40-18
The safest option to avoid the tire sticking out past the fender or the tire hitting the fender. It's going to look a bit stretched on a 9" wheel though.
235/35-18 = 24.4" - 25". Only two option between Tire Rack & Discount Tire are Pirelli & Falken
This will look better than a 225 on a 9" wheel, but with only two options you don't have much selection
235/40-18 = 25.3" - 25.4" depending on the brand
A slight increase in overall tire size increases the chances of hitting the fender
245/35-18 = 24.5" - 25.1" depending on the brand
I have a feeling this will stick out a bit.
Rear:
265/35-18
275/35-18
285/30-18
295/30-18
The 285/295 tires may be a tight fit with stock fenders and that offset. It may be safer to stick with the 265 or 275.
Pay attention to section width, you'll see this varies between brands / models of tires in the same "size"
It's also going to boil down to what's available in whatever combination you choose.
The goal is a 25" diameter tire
Front:
225/40-18
The safest option to avoid the tire sticking out past the fender or the tire hitting the fender. It's going to look a bit stretched on a 9" wheel though.
235/35-18 = 24.4" - 25". Only two option between Tire Rack & Discount Tire are Pirelli & Falken
This will look better than a 225 on a 9" wheel, but with only two options you don't have much selection
235/40-18 = 25.3" - 25.4" depending on the brand
A slight increase in overall tire size increases the chances of hitting the fender
245/35-18 = 24.5" - 25.1" depending on the brand
I have a feeling this will stick out a bit.
Rear:
265/35-18
275/35-18
285/30-18
295/30-18
The 285/295 tires may be a tight fit with stock fenders and that offset. It may be safer to stick with the 265 or 275.
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Whatever you do please keep the overall diameter to 25" +/-0.2, In other words nothing over 25.2" or less than 24.8" Anything beyond that and you mess with the perfectly balanced suspension, oh, and it looks funny.
I see 928s all the time with over sized tires and they start to look like a Paris-Dakar Racer. Or worse, just larger diameter in the rear, then we cross over into 70s hot rod look...which is great, just not on a 928.
This issue it compounded by the fact very few manufacturers tires are rarely the same spec vs the actual measured size..so read the specs CAREFULLY.
The "normal" sizes you need on paper for a 9/10 18" combo should be 255/35 front and 285/30 rear. Anything wider on the 10" rear is not recommended, just too narrow to support a 295, etc.you need at least a 10.5" for those IMHO.You could go with a 265 on the rear and it might feel better balanced with your 86.5, unless you have Power Adders (stroker, boosted, etc) that require a wider rear. Just look for that elusive 25" diameter.
Hope that helps,
Dave
I see 928s all the time with over sized tires and they start to look like a Paris-Dakar Racer. Or worse, just larger diameter in the rear, then we cross over into 70s hot rod look...which is great, just not on a 928.
This issue it compounded by the fact very few manufacturers tires are rarely the same spec vs the actual measured size..so read the specs CAREFULLY.
The "normal" sizes you need on paper for a 9/10 18" combo should be 255/35 front and 285/30 rear. Anything wider on the 10" rear is not recommended, just too narrow to support a 295, etc.you need at least a 10.5" for those IMHO.You could go with a 265 on the rear and it might feel better balanced with your 86.5, unless you have Power Adders (stroker, boosted, etc) that require a wider rear. Just look for that elusive 25" diameter.
Hope that helps,
Dave
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Thanks for the input - very helpful but tire sizing is a new skill for me. From the comments, I'm thinking 9" up front may limit my choices too much. I don't want to spend $300per for Pirelli's - which are not my preferred brand anyway.
But, the rims are nice Porsche double spokes with no rash and a very reasonable price.
But, the rims are nice Porsche double spokes with no rash and a very reasonable price.
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Thanks for the input - very helpful but tire sizing is a new skill for me. From the comments, I'm thinking 9" up front may limit my choices too much. I don't want to spend $300per for Pirelli's - which are not my preferred brand anyway.
But, the rims are nice Porsche double spokes with no rash and a very reasonable price.
But, the rims are nice Porsche double spokes with no rash and a very reasonable price.
Plus it is only $182.71 each...and the front 255/35 is only $156.37 each.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...4&autoModClar=
Hope that helps,
Dave
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Dave - more than helpful, thanks. I've had Sumitomo before without issue and this is the price point for this car.
So, no concerns with 255/35 upfront ? Not too wide a look or handling ?
Also, would the 285/30 Sumitomo's be better than the 295's ?
I'm just doing street driving and highway.
Thanks !
So, no concerns with 255/35 upfront ? Not too wide a look or handling ?
Also, would the 285/30 Sumitomo's be better than the 295's ?
I'm just doing street driving and highway.
Thanks !
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Dave - more than helpful, thanks. I've had Sumitomo before without issue and this is the price point for this car.
So, no concerns with 255/35 upfront ? Not too wide a look or handling ?
Also, would the 285/30 Sumitomo's be better than the 295's ?
. I'm just doing street driving and highway.
Thanks !
So, no concerns with 255/35 upfront ? Not too wide a look or handling ?
Also, would the 285/30 Sumitomo's be better than the 295's ?
. I'm just doing street driving and highway.
Thanks !
Your best option would be if someone can give you a couple of worn out tyres for a trial fit front and rear to see what you might be able to get away with. Factors such as camber and fender rolling also have a part to play..
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On the front of my S4:
Tires: HTR Z III 235/35-18
Wheels: 8x10 et57
As you can see, the tire is almost showing past the fender line. The wheels you are asking about will be 12.7mm further out
I wanted wider tires up front, but chickened out and went with the combination I knew would work without any issues
Tires: HTR Z III 235/35-18
Wheels: 8x10 et57
As you can see, the tire is almost showing past the fender line. The wheels you are asking about will be 12.7mm further out
I wanted wider tires up front, but chickened out and went with the combination I knew would work without any issues
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255 is a bit...meaty, up front. Further increasing the scrub radius goes against large engine car dynamics. Small engine cars want that however. Its a leverage/weight kinda thing.
Your new wheel will be about 15mm closer to the fender lip, and about....2mm more away from the suspension, so should NOT hit the inner wheel lip on anything, but the outside of the tire in a tight turn, I bet...will
Your cornering will be sorta odd...not enough tie size offset, you may find an uncomfortable level of oversteer in there without a PAIR of larger swaybars.
DO NOT do just one end with a larger swaybar...that's when life becomes very interesting.
Your new wheel will be about 15mm closer to the fender lip, and about....2mm more away from the suspension, so should NOT hit the inner wheel lip on anything, but the outside of the tire in a tight turn, I bet...will
Your cornering will be sorta odd...not enough tie size offset, you may find an uncomfortable level of oversteer in there without a PAIR of larger swaybars.
DO NOT do just one end with a larger swaybar...that's when life becomes very interesting.
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So my conclusion is that I should wait for a set of rims with a 7-8 inch rim up front and have more options and a lower risk of issues.
Thanks for all the insights. I haven't had a car with so much to consider for wheels and tires.
If anyone else is interested, the rims are available on Long Island for sub $800. No connection.
Thanks for all the insights. I haven't had a car with so much to consider for wheels and tires.
If anyone else is interested, the rims are available on Long Island for sub $800. No connection.
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Listen to D.R.: 255s on the front, or at lesst 245s, with close to an optimal offset wheel, is the best upgrade you can make to your 928. If you are going to drive it that is.
If it’s all about wheel looks, or ‘stance,’ or spending the least amount of money, then 225s on 7s,7,5s,or 8s.
If it’s all about wheel looks, or ‘stance,’ or spending the least amount of money, then 225s on 7s,7,5s,or 8s.
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