Did my 928 just cough up a lung?
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John you are correct it was not one of Porsche's best ideas BUT those silly Americans kept insisting on drag racing and trying to do the fast 1-2 nd shift .
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Originally posted by Louie928
A short summary is that regular Redline gear oil is too slippery for worn synchros to work well. The Redline NS has a friction modifier that allows synchros to do their synchroing better. I used NS 100% in my GT which had worn synchros a it helped immensely. The PSD diff was compatible with the NS. I understand that if you have a clutch pack type LSD, then you may have to mix Redline NS with regular Redline gear oil in some ratio to achieve a of compromise between having better synchro operation and a smooth engaging LSD. Too much NS and the LSD will be grabby.
A short summary is that regular Redline gear oil is too slippery for worn synchros to work well. The Redline NS has a friction modifier that allows synchros to do their synchroing better. I used NS 100% in my GT which had worn synchros a it helped immensely. The PSD diff was compatible with the NS. I understand that if you have a clutch pack type LSD, then you may have to mix Redline NS with regular Redline gear oil in some ratio to achieve a of compromise between having better synchro operation and a smooth engaging LSD. Too much NS and the LSD will be grabby.
So I'm with UFO, what exactly do you guys recommend?
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Lifted from http://www.nichols.nu/tip244.htm
"Do you mind a low groan on tight corners (e.g., out of the driveway)? With 75W-90 =96 3.5 qts. NS & 1 qt. regular 75W-90, I get some groans. (This gives a little more lockup (NS is not slippery) and I'm told the
groan isn't harmful.) To avoid funny noises, you might want to go with 2 or 3 qts regular and the rest NS. The NS helps the synchros so all regular probably isn't optimal.
Kurt Gibble
'87 S4 5sp (w/ lsd)"
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"Do you mind a low groan on tight corners (e.g., out of the driveway)? With 75W-90 =96 3.5 qts. NS & 1 qt. regular 75W-90, I get some groans. (This gives a little more lockup (NS is not slippery) and I'm told the
groan isn't harmful.) To avoid funny noises, you might want to go with 2 or 3 qts regular and the rest NS. The NS helps the synchros so all regular probably isn't optimal.
Kurt Gibble
'87 S4 5sp (w/ lsd)"
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#23
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Yo Toejam,
that clicking you hear in first, does it click kinda slow? Such as a driveline or cv type sound? My buddy's '84 has a chipped tooth in 1st gear and it clicks noticably outside of the car because of that. I'd look into that
that clicking you hear in first, does it click kinda slow? Such as a driveline or cv type sound? My buddy's '84 has a chipped tooth in 1st gear and it clicks noticably outside of the car because of that. I'd look into that
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It clicks relative to the speed I'm rolling at... and it's usually always in first (although today I would have sworn I heard it a little in 2nd)...
Even when I clutch, I still get the clicking if I'm rolling...
And I'm liking the idea of doing about a 3-to-1 ratio mixture of NS to Reg. .... I think that will give much better performance with these old synchros, and shouldn't be too much of a problem with the LSD... we'll see... It wouldn't be too hard to refill the lube with something else if there is a problem.
Thanks for the tip, Sharkskin.
Even when I clutch, I still get the clicking if I'm rolling...
And I'm liking the idea of doing about a 3-to-1 ratio mixture of NS to Reg. .... I think that will give much better performance with these old synchros, and shouldn't be too much of a problem with the LSD... we'll see... It wouldn't be too hard to refill the lube with something else if there is a problem.
Thanks for the tip, Sharkskin.
#25
When you drain the fluid you will not get all of it.
The first time I drained mine, I filled it up with 75/90 N/S and due to the left over oil that I could not get out, it mixed with the N/S and did feel better. The real difference happened the second time that the oil was changed and again with 75/90 N/S. Now I am running 100% Redline 75/90 N/S and I am very impressed...and yes I do have slight lock-up going around tight turns at slow speed.
The first time I drained mine, I filled it up with 75/90 N/S and due to the left over oil that I could not get out, it mixed with the N/S and did feel better. The real difference happened the second time that the oil was changed and again with 75/90 N/S. Now I am running 100% Redline 75/90 N/S and I am very impressed...and yes I do have slight lock-up going around tight turns at slow speed.
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The click click in first gear when driving straight ahead is not slip related at all . It is the first gear hitting the edge of the reverse gear idler gear and is a result of wear between the gears . Fixing it is rebuilding the trans and spacing the gears apart .
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Thanks for the explanation, Jim. The real reason for the oil change is because of the synchros, plus I dont know exactly when the fluid was last changed.
Is this just a matter of "how long can you stand the noise" or is this condition potentially damaging? 'Cuz I wont be able to open up the trans until the summer.
I can just see it now: I start to accelerate, get to about 25mph, and then the gear catches the rev. idler gear, engages, shreds half the tranny out... while the whole @$$-end of the car explodes in a violent stutter and both rear wheels pop off and wander off in opposite directions. (OR am I being too paranoid? )
Is this just a matter of "how long can you stand the noise" or is this condition potentially damaging? 'Cuz I wont be able to open up the trans until the summer.
I can just see it now: I start to accelerate, get to about 25mph, and then the gear catches the rev. idler gear, engages, shreds half the tranny out... while the whole @$$-end of the car explodes in a violent stutter and both rear wheels pop off and wander off in opposite directions. (OR am I being too paranoid? )