Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

12 Way Seat Will Not Recline

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-15-2018, 11:35 PM
  #1  
rrickolate
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
rrickolate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beaver Falls, PA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default 12 Way Seat Will Not Recline

I bought a set of used front seats for my ’84. The driver’s seat is a 12 way memory seat.
To test the seat, I applied power to the red and brown wires, did nothing with the rest of the wires. The raise/lower, forward/backward, and lumbar all work. The seat back will not recline, the pivot shaft will rotate a few degrees in each direction, and the black relay box under the right front corner of the seat chatters when it stops.

The rear switch up/down does nothing, not sure what it is supposed to do.

I am looking for suggestions to troubleshoot and repair. The seat back is all the way forward now.
The following users liked this post:
Nuen Werke (08-07-2023)
Old 04-16-2018, 12:01 AM
  #2  
jetson8859
Rennlist Member
 
jetson8859's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Albany "the middle of nowhere" Missouri
Posts: 1,333
Received 210 Likes on 99 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rrickolate
I bought a set of used front seats for my ’84. The driver’s seat is a 12 way memory seat.
To test the seat, I applied power to the red and brown wires, did nothing with the rest of the wires. The raise/lower, forward/backward, and lumbar all work. The seat back will not recline, the pivot shaft will rotate a few degrees in each direction, and the black relay box under the right front corner of the seat chatters when it stops.

The rear switch up/down does nothing, not sure what it is supposed to do.

I am looking for suggestions to troubleshoot and repair. The seat back is all the way forward now.
Make sure the seat is not all the way forward due to the manual lever near headrest being pulled up. This is the manual release to allow rear seat passengers to get out. Don't ask me how I know...
Old 04-16-2018, 03:57 PM
  #3  
rrickolate
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
rrickolate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beaver Falls, PA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

The manual seat lever is in the normal position.
Does anyone know how to access the recline motor and mechanism?

Thanks

Rick
Old 04-16-2018, 04:02 PM
  #4  
auzivision
Drifting
 
auzivision's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Indianapolis Area
Posts: 2,707
Received 73 Likes on 39 Posts
Default

Spray your switches rear good with deoxit and wait 24 hrs.

This stuff cleans dirty switch contacts.
Old 04-16-2018, 04:41 PM
  #5  
Simon928
Pro
 
Simon928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 575
Received 16 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

On my last 928 I thought that the recline didn't work but then I realized that if I slipped a screwdriver in behind the switch and levered it a little the switch made the necessary contacts and the seat moved as it should. It would never move by just pressing the button by hand though. I should've taken the switch apart but I was the only person who ever drove the car and I never really had to move the seat, so I quickly stopped caring.
Old 04-16-2018, 05:12 PM
  #6  
rrickolate
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
rrickolate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beaver Falls, PA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I believe the switch is working, the relay chatters when the the back stops in both directions.
It is acting like it is mechanically bound.
How do I get to the motor, so I can bypass the switch and memory controls?
Old 04-16-2018, 05:21 PM
  #7  
Wisconsin Joe
Nordschleife Master
 
Wisconsin Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Kaukauna Wisconsin
Posts: 5,926
Received 303 Likes on 232 Posts
Default

The motor is buried in the seatback, near the headrest. It's not easy to get to.
Old 04-16-2018, 07:29 PM
  #8  
hlee96
Rennlist Member
 
hlee96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Near Mushroom Capital of the World
Posts: 3,019
Received 198 Likes on 125 Posts
Default

Did you ever verify that the used seats reclines before buying it? Kind of hard to verify but maybe they never worked to begin with?
Old 04-16-2018, 08:12 PM
  #9  
rrickolate
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
rrickolate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beaver Falls, PA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I did not. I bought them from 928 intl during their sale. The weather is finally nice enough here in PA to start the leather reconditioning.
It seems they lowered the seats all the way down, and tiped the seat back forward for shipping.
My next thought is intercept the wires to the seat back and try sendin the poer directgly to the motor.
Old 04-16-2018, 08:23 PM
  #10  
Wisconsin Joe
Nordschleife Master
 
Wisconsin Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Kaukauna Wisconsin
Posts: 5,926
Received 303 Likes on 232 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rrickolate
My next thought is intercept the wires to the seat back and try sending the power directly to the motor.
That's what I did when I was going through my seats.

The recline motor wires are the ones that disappear up into the seat back.

At least they are with the 8 way seats. Not sure about the 12s.

The rear up/down switch controls the back of the seat. Front switch raises & lowers the front of the seat, back does the back (again, 8 way).
Old 04-17-2018, 06:25 PM
  #11  
rrickolate
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
rrickolate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Beaver Falls, PA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Is there a way to manually recline the seat?
Old 04-17-2018, 06:54 PM
  #12  
Wisconsin Joe
Nordschleife Master
 
Wisconsin Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Kaukauna Wisconsin
Posts: 5,926
Received 303 Likes on 232 Posts
Default

I don't think so.

I believe that the motor turns a gear set that reclines the seat. AFAIK, there is no way, short of cutting into the seat back, to access the motor or drive gears.

However, I could be wrong on this.
Old 12-13-2022, 01:10 AM
  #13  
Drewshepard60
Rennlist Member
 
Drewshepard60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 155
Received 15 Likes on 9 Posts
Default Backrest motor replacement

Resurrecting a thread...anyone have any information on how to access the motors in the top of the backrest...thank you in advance...drew
Old 12-13-2022, 05:16 PM
  #14  
928Myles
Rennlist Member
 
928Myles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cromwell, New Zealand
Posts: 938
Received 35 Likes on 21 Posts
Default

1 - unclip electrical wires to seat back.
2 - unbolt seat back at pivot on both sides.
3 - remove seat back from car
4 - Unclip cover from base of seat back
5 - slide seat cover up & off seat back
Old 12-13-2022, 06:04 PM
  #15  
Drewshepard60
Rennlist Member
 
Drewshepard60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 155
Received 15 Likes on 9 Posts
Default 12 way seats...

Ok got the shin of the backrest...how do you get at the motor without damaging the foam...


Quick Reply: 12 Way Seat Will Not Recline



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:43 AM.