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I currently have a 964 but looking to add a 928 to my garage. I am looking at year '80s (82-84) 928 S models. However, the price(s) seem to be scattered and I can't make sense of it. What would be a good price for a 1982/3/4 928 S with less than 50k miles that is in overall good mechanical and aesthetic condition?
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True less than 50k mile 83-84 S-models are rare.
If good condition? $20-30k dependent on many factors.
Auto or manual?
Maintenance history and provenance are important factors just like 964.
Color will determine alot towards desirability and price.
There was a very nice 5 spd chiffon white/brown and no rub strips '82 manual with ~45k mile for sale ~$27k in Seattle 2 months ago and I thought it was a very nice and justify it's asking.
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I will looking out for you!
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If good condition? $20-30k dependent on many factors.
Auto or manual?
Maintenance history and provenance are important factors just like 964.
Color will determine alot towards desirability and price.
There was a very nice 5 spd chiffon white/brown and no rub strips '82 manual with ~45k mile for sale ~$27k in Seattle 2 months ago and I thought it was a very nice and justify it's asking.
good luck
I will looking out for you!
-Hoi
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How many sub 50,000 mile 30 plus year old 928s do you think exist today ?? Unlike 911s most 928s got driven because they are great driving , comfortable cars with GOOD a/c and heaters. The Dentist's wife bought or leased one instead of a Jag or Mercedes to be seen in not to collect or preserve for the future. So yes a very imperfect market with grossly over priced and underpriced examples. That said, prices have already doubled, tripled, and quadrupled in recent years.
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My question to Meatball911 is:
Why the particular 82-84 models? They are the least desirable models to own besides the: GTS, OBs, GTs, special models (Weissach, Jubilee), S4, S3, then finally S and 80-81 last. IMHO
Why the particular 82-84 models? They are the least desirable models to own besides the: GTS, OBs, GTs, special models (Weissach, Jubilee), S4, S3, then finally S and 80-81 last. IMHO
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Also, keep in mind that the 78 & 79 were one version, the 80 - 82 were another (no S available) and the 83 & 84 were the "S" model.
At least for US models. Euros had both 'non-S' and "S" available 80 - 83, then the S2 84 - 86. The Wiki article has a good amount of accurate info on this (and other stuff).
As was noted, the 80 - 84 US are the "red headed stepchild' of the 928 world. Least desired, lowest price. That can work in your favor.
As you have found, prices are all over the map. Miles and condition, records and provenance, color and options. All of those affect price.
The simple 'presentation, marketing & timing' also have a huge effect on price.
I would start with the 'For Sale' sticky thread at the top. Keep in mind that it's little more than a "hey guys, look at the ad I found" thread, but it gives a pretty good idea of what's out there. Next would be Bring A Trailer. They have quite a few 928s. A lot of them are very nice. The prices are (not surprisingly) all over the map.
I wouldn't consider what you are looking for a 'typical' 928. So it might take a while.
I would suggest reading the New Visitor sticky,
Stay on top of the "For Sale" sticky.
Learn as much as you can about the cars and figure out exactly what you want. What you must have, what you must not have, what you'd like to have and what doesn't matter.
Then be ready to jump on the right car when it shows up. For the right car, what you are looking for may run between $15k and $30k. Yes. Prices are all over the map. But they are rising for nice ones.
At least for US models. Euros had both 'non-S' and "S" available 80 - 83, then the S2 84 - 86. The Wiki article has a good amount of accurate info on this (and other stuff).
As was noted, the 80 - 84 US are the "red headed stepchild' of the 928 world. Least desired, lowest price. That can work in your favor.
As you have found, prices are all over the map. Miles and condition, records and provenance, color and options. All of those affect price.
The simple 'presentation, marketing & timing' also have a huge effect on price.
I would start with the 'For Sale' sticky thread at the top. Keep in mind that it's little more than a "hey guys, look at the ad I found" thread, but it gives a pretty good idea of what's out there. Next would be Bring A Trailer. They have quite a few 928s. A lot of them are very nice. The prices are (not surprisingly) all over the map.
I wouldn't consider what you are looking for a 'typical' 928. So it might take a while.
I would suggest reading the New Visitor sticky,
Stay on top of the "For Sale" sticky.
Learn as much as you can about the cars and figure out exactly what you want. What you must have, what you must not have, what you'd like to have and what doesn't matter.
Then be ready to jump on the right car when it shows up. For the right car, what you are looking for may run between $15k and $30k. Yes. Prices are all over the map. But they are rising for nice ones.
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Thank you for all the replies! My year range was arbitrary and merely triggered by a low mileage example that I found in someone's collection (not for sale). I liked it so much that I decided to start looking. Thanks again and I will update when/if I pull the trigger.
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Meatball -
I will speak up for us red headed stepchildren...I have an 83 S and absolutely love it.
As as others have said - there are other models that are more desireable for one reason or another, but in all honesty, I am not sure you can go wrong with ANY 928.
Good luck in your search. This is THE place to be when seeking knowledge and experience from those that know these machines the best!
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I will speak up for us red headed stepchildren...I have an 83 S and absolutely love it.
As as others have said - there are other models that are more desireable for one reason or another, but in all honesty, I am not sure you can go wrong with ANY 928.
Good luck in your search. This is THE place to be when seeking knowledge and experience from those that know these machines the best!
-scott
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I will say this about our red headed step children. They are by far the least expensive and finicky 928s to own. 80-84 US cars just work.
The fuel injection system rarely fails and it has the simplest electronics and vacuum system out of all of the years.
The fuel injection system rarely fails and it has the simplest electronics and vacuum system out of all of the years.
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I agree with the above. I had a blast with my '83 5speed and a lot of bang for the buck. For a noob hobbyist like myself who wanted a project, the L-jet 16v seemed like the simplest of all the models. While I haven't messed with a CIS car, they look way more involved to get them running right. And the 32v 4 cam engines can be scary for a rookie too. Similarly I have yet to dive down that rabbit hole.
If your heading down the "collector" path, the L-jet cars are the least desirable although there are always exceptions for low mileage, provenance, etc
Like all cars, if your looking to just get in and drive, find the nicest (best maintained) example you can afford
Whatever you decide, you'll be welcomed here with open arms, holding drinks, because we have no cupholders. Good luck with your search and keep us posted.
If your heading down the "collector" path, the L-jet cars are the least desirable although there are always exceptions for low mileage, provenance, etc
Like all cars, if your looking to just get in and drive, find the nicest (best maintained) example you can afford
Whatever you decide, you'll be welcomed here with open arms, holding drinks, because we have no cupholders. Good luck with your search and keep us posted.
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Meatball, don't listen to Hoi. He's spoiled himself on great 928s. Those who are really in the know, know that the '84 928 is the best year to have. I kid (sorta) but an '84 euro is only bested in power to weight by the GTS. The 84 was the pinnacle of the 4.7 liter (in the US). Porsche played around for a few years trying to figure out how to make a good intake for the 5 liter engine, so they kinda basterdized the '85 and '86. I mean who wants a bastard right? Again I kid (sorta). I do however agree with Hoi's price evaluations above. Spot on IMHO.
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Nate...bastard, huh?
The Red Witch heard that...
Meatball911, these guys are giving you great information. Beware, it is very easy to fall into a 'keep up with the Jones' mentality. I am shovelling money into my 928 with gay abandon.
drscottsmith is taking a more realistic approach. He is working on his in a well thought out, methodical manner.
My point is to get a 928 that makes you happy. Any of them are great, fun cars to DRIVE!
Also, a low mileage car doesn't really mean much for a driver. You still have to deal with deteriorated rubber bits and such. 928's don't like to sit...
The Red Witch heard that...
Meatball911, these guys are giving you great information. Beware, it is very easy to fall into a 'keep up with the Jones' mentality. I am shovelling money into my 928 with gay abandon.
drscottsmith is taking a more realistic approach. He is working on his in a well thought out, methodical manner.
My point is to get a 928 that makes you happy. Any of them are great, fun cars to DRIVE!
Also, a low mileage car doesn't really mean much for a driver. You still have to deal with deteriorated rubber bits and such. 928's don't like to sit...
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I wanted a Porsche. I wanted to be part of the 'club'. So I looked for years and probably drove 20+ different 911's. I could never pull the trigger, as something was always preventing me: mortgage, young children, then young kids got older and tuition hit - pick one of them because they all fit at one point or another. I am a 55 (God forbid) yr old who loved Risky Business/Scarface, so my quest continued to the 928 version. Initially because of the price point. Don't be fooled. Don't be fooled , because someone is going to spend money: 1) buying a sorted car has the previous owner spending his $ 2) you spending your money on catch up maintenance. I had the same idea as Ladybug above: the 16V cars just seemed a bit more simple and less catastrophic problems. That said, if a 32V car fell on my lap first I would have jumped if the boxes were checked.
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Although no one is going to badmouth the automatics, the true gem is an early car with the 5-speed. Euro would be the icing on the cake!
Prices have gone up more in the last two years than they have in the prior decade. I bought a very clean '82 Weissach 20 years ago for $5k and drove it daily for 3 years. Two years later, I bought an '85 5-speed for $7k that was probably cleaner. Hoi probably knows the market as well as anyone, and $20-30k sounds right for a good car. That would be money well-spent for a car that you could drive and preserve rather than one that cost less & needed restoration work.
There are always cheap cars out there, but they usually cost you more in the long run. (Wish I had found Tony's car before he did! :P )
Prices have gone up more in the last two years than they have in the prior decade. I bought a very clean '82 Weissach 20 years ago for $5k and drove it daily for 3 years. Two years later, I bought an '85 5-speed for $7k that was probably cleaner. Hoi probably knows the market as well as anyone, and $20-30k sounds right for a good car. That would be money well-spent for a car that you could drive and preserve rather than one that cost less & needed restoration work.
There are always cheap cars out there, but they usually cost you more in the long run. (Wish I had found Tony's car before he did! :P )