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Meh, I'm not buying it. There is no question your average 928 is easier to drive than your average 911 but people talk about the 930 like it has 1000hp. There are Camrys out there with more power. A stock 930 is a gentle lamb.
That would mean you are the god of all sports car drivers. I salute. All the stories about 'widowmaker' and 'handful' and 'unforgiving' merely chaff in the wind.
Maybe googling 'high polar moment of inertia' would have probative value? Meh - maybe not.
"Average 911" is not typically attributed to the 930, I could be wrong...
I consider myself an average driver. I do however own 6 911s including a 930 and I will tell you that many of the stories you hear about the 930 were written in magazine articles in the 1980s when people were driving around in 100hp cars. Even the mighty 959 is just not that fast of a car for today.
So you need to ask yourself if your perception of the car comes from overenthusiastic article writers or actually driving the car.
Like I alluded to before, bad habits like throttle lift oversteer can be fixed with modern suspension setups and tires.
We're in a forum with a thread about comparison to 86 928S3. Not compared to a modern 911 with PSM, ABS, active suspension, throttle control, etc. In it's day, and even today the 930 can bite someone. Of course, any 930 can be driven with reserve. Driven outside of the reserve, or nearing the edge of reserve, things change. I've flown Cessnas and I've flown a Pitts special S2-B. Technically they all work the same. Pull back - go up, push forward - go down. Equating the flight characteristics of a Cessna to the Pitts S2 - well...
What you are stating about the 930 applies to ALL 911s, from 1965-1989. Again, because of the suspension geometries that were used from the factory, the softness of the bushings, the aspect ratio of the tires and a host of other factors peculiar to that day and age, the 911 in general will want to swap ends. What I am saying is that can mostly be worked out of a 911 with some modern equipment and setup techniques.
I loved the handling of my 930. Stay on boost and throttle steer through corners and then floor just as you're exiting the corner and the bum would squat and away she goes. I drove my old girl hard, especially on club runs and never once felt it would spit me out. A good set of modern tyres, Pilot Sports, absolutely changed the feel through the steering wheel and the rear end grip. I remember running at 285kmh with a 996GT3 Mk1 and going through some long sweepers. The car started to get a little light in the front but nothing scary. I've had scarier moments in a 951S.
Wife going to get the kids from school. She loved beating all those ricers who constantly wanted to drag her. Wifey is a good driver.
As it happens, the owner of the 930 I drove also has a 996 twin turbo....he says that car is significantly faster, with much less drama. Personally though, I kinda like that drama...
I have to agree with what Catorce has to say about these. Today 1000hp is not out of the ordinary for tuned cars. I have seen 2000 out of twin turboed R8's. Owning one of each is nice although if you like the 930 the 964 turbo 3.6 takes it to another level. Mine has some bolt on mods and produces 450BHP and 460 Tq on a mustang dyno. Even in stock form it will leave the 928GTS behind like it was standing still about 1/4 mile up to 80mph easily if not more in stock form. The turbo does take time to build boost but nothing like the 930's and once on boost it is a rocket. At 450bhp will eat cars with considerably more HP. If you know how to drive and have a decent suspension setup the 964 is still a lot easier to push hard then the GTS. Mine has GT sport suspension and upgraded sways and the turbo has limited H&R Bilstein and still handles better but both do quite well but nothing like the newer cars.
At one time I had the turbo the GTS and a 944 S2 and they were three completely different rides. As much as I enjoy the 928 it would go long before the turbo. They are all special but the 3.6T is a very special car in league of its own for fun.
Meh, I'm not buying it. There is no question your average 928 is easier to drive than your average 911 but people talk about the 930 like it has 1000hp. There are Camrys out there with more power. A stock 930 is a gentle lamb.
Stock, my '85 wasn't nearly as obnoxious as it was with the larger turbo, intercooler, and stainless exhaust. However, it was still a beast due to the way the power was delivered, not just the amount of raw power it had. You're right about cars today being vastly more powerful, but for the most part, they have a predictable and somewhat consistent power delivery vs. the 930 being like a light switch. Yes, back in the day, a Corvette had 245hp and "life begins at 150" was how they were promoted. Today, a showroom stock Corvette has from 450 to 650hp & 180+mph. It would eat a 930 for lunch.
But a stock 930 being a gentle lamb? I'd never say that. And after just a few tweeks, it's an absolute maniac.
I have to agree with what Catorce has to say about these. Today 1000hp is not out of the ordinary for tuned cars. I have seen 2000 out of twin turboed R8's. Owning one of each is nice although if you like the 930 the 964 turbo 3.6 takes it to another level. Mine has some bolt on mods and produces 450BHP and 460 Tq on a mustang dyno. Even in stock form it will leave the 928GTS behind like it was standing still about 1/4 mile up to 80mph easily if not more in stock form. The turbo does take time to build boost but nothing like the 930's and once on boost it is a rocket. At 450bhp will eat cars with considerably more HP. If you know how to drive and have a decent suspension setup the 964 is still a lot easier to push hard then the GTS. Mine has GT sport suspension and upgraded sways and the turbo has limited H&R Bilstein and still handles better but both do quite well but nothing like the newer cars.
At one time I had the turbo the GTS and a 944 S2 and they were three completely different rides. As much as I enjoy the 928 it would go long before the turbo. They are all special but the 3.6T is a very special car in league of its own for fun.
Not to mention that the 3.6 Turbo is basically the pinnacle of 911 Turbos and that they sell for the better part of 175K....
At different times I owned a year matched set.. 77 930 and 77 928. I am probably bias but I think the mid-late 70s was a great time for these Porsche products; They were both really cutting edge cars at the time in their own way, and at the same time (in hindsight) were the simplest and most viseral execution of what would become a heavier, more powerful, more complex, and more luxurious car as years went on. The 928 was designed over 10 years after the 911 design work and as such had significant advances over the 930, but unfortunately was delivered to us UNDERPOWERED at its debut. Few Porsche buyers (at the time) ever said a 930 was underpowered. The early turboCarrera gave me thrills and chills as I figured out how to drive it, and like true exotics of the period it was a challenge to own, service, and drive... and it was my only car and daily driver for 2 years. I do miss it but these were a lot easier to buy back then as they were $15,000 cars at the time. easy come easy go.
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