928 Pro Tour LS3 / Z06 Build
#139
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Frustration peaking on my build. Received replacement TT housing for cracked one today and it is the wrong one. They sent the bell housing for TT to engine instead of to trans.
Cut notch in tunnel to clear shifter clamp. Made up wire harness on trans for VSS, reverse lockout and reverse lights. Also, modified a battery tray to fit in battery box. Using a Optima red top battery.
Cut notch in tunnel to clear shifter clamp. Made up wire harness on trans for VSS, reverse lockout and reverse lights. Also, modified a battery tray to fit in battery box. Using a Optima red top battery.
#141
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I think I will leave the conversions for others to Dinsdale.
I do have some ideas if I were to build another one though.
#142
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Oh, the brutality!
You should call Heinrich at Scheisco.
He always has 6 and 12 speed kits in stock.
His prices are super low!!!
Free same day delivery too!
Cheers
You should call Heinrich at Scheisco.
He always has 6 and 12 speed kits in stock.
His prices are super low!!!
Free same day delivery too!
Cheers
#143
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#144
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So Dins...
first you ask my customer for the length of my torque tube (post 110)
...and now you advise him to shop elsewhere for "kits in stock" ?
What Gives?
Bad Form, Dins, bad form. If you want to know the correct length of the driveshaft and torque tube for a T56 in a 928 with a LS motor you need to figure that out for yourself, just like I have.
first you ask my customer for the length of my torque tube (post 110)
...and now you advise him to shop elsewhere for "kits in stock" ?
What Gives?
Bad Form, Dins, bad form. If you want to know the correct length of the driveshaft and torque tube for a T56 in a 928 with a LS motor you need to figure that out for yourself, just like I have.
Last edited by Carl Fausett; 11-03-2017 at 04:05 PM.
#145
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THIS INJUSTICE WILL NOT STAND !
So Dins...
first you ask my customer for the dimensions of my torque tube...
...and now you advise him to shop elsewhere for "kits in stock" ?
What Gives?
Bad Form, Dins, bad form. If you want to know the correct length of the driveshaft and torque tube for a T56 in a 928 with a LS motor you need to figure that out for yourself, just like I have.
first you ask my customer for the dimensions of my torque tube...
...and now you advise him to shop elsewhere for "kits in stock" ?
What Gives?
Bad Form, Dins, bad form. If you want to know the correct length of the driveshaft and torque tube for a T56 in a 928 with a LS motor you need to figure that out for yourself, just like I have.
You know as well as I do, that you took Lance's wallet on a fishing trip.
You sold him your stock 6spd kit, some parts he didn't need and had a supplier add 2 inches to a torque tube. Then you grabbed a rosary.
Please remember that pretend R&D doesn't work all the time.
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the coil over parts that had to be turned down on a lathe before the shocks could be assembled. Oh how we laughed!
I could go on, but I think you deserve a chance to correct these problem's. A so called "Do over".
You really should inform your client's of their role as a guinea pig prior to the sale of a kit though. It's the right thing to do.
Now, on to the comment about TT length and a question for Lance.
I wanted to compare your "Shot in the dark" attempt to my completed LS/T56 builds. As i suspected, It was a complete side show to get everything to fit properly. [pretend R&D still doesn't work].
The list of problems with the kit is long. and the skill set and tools needed to install the kit are far beyond even your farmed out skills.
I think I'll stick with my design that uses a stock torque tube.
In closing, here's a few things to remember.
A big ego is often a play toy.
Their's nothing wrong with second place.
I hope you can use this as a learning experience.
Regards Dinsdale
#146
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You know as well as I do, that you took Lance's wallet on a fishing trip.
Lance's challenge is that he has neither - he has an LS3 motor and not an LS1. They are close, but not the same. I hate doing R&D from across the country, but Lance is in California and of course could not bring the car here so I could do it hands-on.
Even so, you can see I have my lengths right and the shifter box mounts up right where it should be. We did find out Lance had the wrong pilot bearing, a part we did not supply. Now that he has put in the C5 pilot bearing, it should go right together.
It's a damn shame UPS crushed his bell housing, but as soon as the replacement comes he should be rolling again.
Glad your design is different than mine - I prefer that. Then there should be no issues between us.
#147
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There is no truth in that statement. Lance paid over $2000 LESS for his kit than a customer with a 928 motor would. My prices are PUBLISHED and you are welcome to look them up for yourself. Secondly, I have no need to fish as we have done numbers of these kits and installs before. In addition to the Porsche engined 6-speed kits that we have done; we have already done two Renegade Chevy-to-6-speed kits for the 928 - one for a SBC and 1 for the LS1.
Lance's challenge is that he has neither - he has an LS3 motor and not an LS1. They are close, but not the same. I hate doing R&D from across the country, but Lance is in California and of course could not bring the car here so I could do it hands-on.
Even so, you can see I have my lengths right and the shifter box mounts up right where it should be. We did find out Lance had the wrong pilot bearing, a part we did not supply. Now that he has put in the C5 pilot bearing, it should go right together.
It's a damn shame UPS crushed his bell housing, but as soon as the replacement comes he should be rolling again.
Glad your design is different than mine - I prefer that. Then there should be no issues between us.
Lance's challenge is that he has neither - he has an LS3 motor and not an LS1. They are close, but not the same. I hate doing R&D from across the country, but Lance is in California and of course could not bring the car here so I could do it hands-on.
Even so, you can see I have my lengths right and the shifter box mounts up right where it should be. We did find out Lance had the wrong pilot bearing, a part we did not supply. Now that he has put in the C5 pilot bearing, it should go right together.
It's a damn shame UPS crushed his bell housing, but as soon as the replacement comes he should be rolling again.
Glad your design is different than mine - I prefer that. Then there should be no issues between us.
Carl.....take another look!! I paid "FULL PRICE" per your web site and I was sold a tried and true system, which it is not. I have been your R&D for the Z06 to LS3 and that is not what I signed up for. In addition, I have spent 20 plus hours configuring the the LS3 to Z06 and have purchased (3) different pilot bearings and broken a engine Bell housing along with massaging your brackets. To be honest, if I knew upfront that this is what I was going to deal with, I would have worked with my guys and made my own conversion. The kit you sold me was not a bolt in and other people contemplating the conversion should know this up front unlike me.
I am pretty capable of making things work and I seriously doubt that most normal auto shops could handle the conversion at this point and seriously doubt a DYI could manage this conversion.
It is not my intention to disrespect anyone, I am just building a car for fun here, but I will not hold back from being honest with what I have received and the way I have been treated.
I have reached out to 77Tony , FLYVMO and Dinsdale, who have all been wonderful sharing there information to help me through the build.
I think 928 MS makes quality parts in there kit, but needs a little refinement on certain pieces. In the end, the product is very good and hopefully will be bolt in for the enthusiasts that takes on the conversion in the future.
#148
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Name the wrong part.
To verify this we asked the designer of the very very very first 928 6 and 12 speed conversions. Dr. Heinrich Scheisse of Scheisco .
Dr. Scheisse verified , testified, magnified and chicken fried the pictures.
After thoughtful meditation Dr. Scheisse conferred that they were indeed automobile parts and that some of them were incorrect.
Today's pictures have more than one wrong part.
If you can name all of them you WIN!!!!!!
Soooo now that the pictures have been verified let me introduce our first contestant.
His name is Royal Faultless and he's from Horrible Wisconsin.
Royal likes Deer jerky, Elk jerky and Moose jerky. He also dreams of owning a Jerk factory someday.
Sooo Royal, are you ready to play NAME THE WRONG PART?
Last edited by Dinsdale Piranha; 11-07-2017 at 10:23 AM.
#150
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I'm sorry you feel that way, Lance.
I advised you at the start that I wished you would bring your car here as we had done the SBC install before and knew the TTube lengths, but had not done an LS1 build without adapters as yet. I wanted to be hands-on, and do this in my shop.
Lance, it was you that said that the LS1 and the SBC were so close to the same that it should work (and later you have also said that the LS1 and the LS3 were the same) and that you wanted to proceed.
I was very forthcoming and told you precisely what we had done before and what we had not. In fact, I called RPM transmissions to research the difference in crank lengths between the SBC motor and the LS1 BEFORE I even took your sale. You don't remember any of this?
I know you WANTED a bolt in kit, but you also wanted an LS3 install into a 928, which just has not been done that many times before, and never by us. That put you beyond the cutting edge of technology and into the bleeding edge instead. It takes work and some fabrication/modification to be out there on the bleeding edge and be the first. That's the way it is.
Thank you for the compliment. And yes, if our LS1 kit is used to install an LS3, some small modifications will need to be made.
I advised you at the start that I wished you would bring your car here as we had done the SBC install before and knew the TTube lengths, but had not done an LS1 build without adapters as yet. I wanted to be hands-on, and do this in my shop.
Lance, it was you that said that the LS1 and the SBC were so close to the same that it should work (and later you have also said that the LS1 and the LS3 were the same) and that you wanted to proceed.
I was very forthcoming and told you precisely what we had done before and what we had not. In fact, I called RPM transmissions to research the difference in crank lengths between the SBC motor and the LS1 BEFORE I even took your sale. You don't remember any of this?
I know you WANTED a bolt in kit, but you also wanted an LS3 install into a 928, which just has not been done that many times before, and never by us. That put you beyond the cutting edge of technology and into the bleeding edge instead. It takes work and some fabrication/modification to be out there on the bleeding edge and be the first. That's the way it is.
I think 928 MS makes quality parts in there kit, but needs a little refinement on certain pieces.
Last edited by Carl Fausett; 11-04-2017 at 09:45 AM.