Traumatic experience today !!
Burning Brakes
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,208
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From: Las Vegas, Nevada
Hey Donald,
I actually experienced neither over or understeer?
I lifted throttle at the entrance of the turn as a instinctive "panic" move, caught myself in the act and got into the throttle again at the apex...
I felt completely neutral in a 4-wheel drift through the turn...
At least I think I was neutral.....lol
To be honest, since I have never felt a drift like that before, I can only assume that's what happened?
All tires screaming?
No Oversteer?
No Understeer?
Kept shiny side up?
What would you call it?
I actually experienced neither over or understeer?
I lifted throttle at the entrance of the turn as a instinctive "panic" move, caught myself in the act and got into the throttle again at the apex...
I felt completely neutral in a 4-wheel drift through the turn...
At least I think I was neutral.....lol
To be honest, since I have never felt a drift like that before, I can only assume that's what happened?
All tires screaming?
No Oversteer?
No Understeer?
Kept shiny side up?
What would you call it?
Burning Brakes
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 773
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From: Minneapolis MN
Lizard and John S.,
Yes I hear exacly what you both are saying, and that is the same answer I would give to the question too. Althought I live close enough to a track to make it worth the while ( 3-4 hr. drive?) occasionally, I'd rather spend 3-4 hrs. driving on the fun roads that are within an hr. of my house.
There are two other aspects besides what John S. listed, 1) know your mission and 2) know the road you are on. I spend a fair amount of time checking out new roads to drive on and in Mn near tht river there are plenty. I have had a few close calls and yes you can drift a 928 but you can also oversteer one if you lift off the pedal in a curve. These lessons have been learned while my mission was to drive as well as I could as fast as allowable. This is usually on roads I know well and have surveyed before.
If you know the mission is to learn the road rather than push it on it, you're alot safer. There is gravel in the same spot every time on some. I know it's there, but only from seeing it when I wasn't pushing hard
Just like in the military, when mission creep turns a recon into an assault. it's bad. - Ruf
Yes I hear exacly what you both are saying, and that is the same answer I would give to the question too. Althought I live close enough to a track to make it worth the while ( 3-4 hr. drive?) occasionally, I'd rather spend 3-4 hrs. driving on the fun roads that are within an hr. of my house.
There are two other aspects besides what John S. listed, 1) know your mission and 2) know the road you are on. I spend a fair amount of time checking out new roads to drive on and in Mn near tht river there are plenty. I have had a few close calls and yes you can drift a 928 but you can also oversteer one if you lift off the pedal in a curve. These lessons have been learned while my mission was to drive as well as I could as fast as allowable. This is usually on roads I know well and have surveyed before.
If you know the mission is to learn the road rather than push it on it, you're alot safer. There is gravel in the same spot every time on some. I know it's there, but only from seeing it when I wasn't pushing hard
Just like in the military, when mission creep turns a recon into an assault. it's bad. - Ruf
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,451
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From: Texas
Bernie-
Sorry if I misunderstood. When you wrote "have no idea what would have happened had I done what I instinctively would have done before by releasing the gas and hitting the brake." I assumed you meant that that would potentially induce oversteer and that you avoided it by getting back on the gas. I did not mean that you did, just that you thought those actions would.
Sorry if I misunderstood. When you wrote "have no idea what would have happened had I done what I instinctively would have done before by releasing the gas and hitting the brake." I assumed you meant that that would potentially induce oversteer and that you avoided it by getting back on the gas. I did not mean that you did, just that you thought those actions would.
Last edited by Donald; Nov 25, 2003 at 08:13 PM.
Burning Brakes
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,208
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From: Las Vegas, Nevada
Originally posted by Donald
Bernie-
Sorry if I misunderstood. When you wrote "have no idea what would have happened had I done what I instinctively would have done before by releasing the gas and hitting the brake." I assumed you meant that that would potentially induce oversteer and that you avoided it by getting back on the gas. I did not mean that you did, just that you thought those actions would.
Bernie-
Sorry if I misunderstood. When you wrote "have no idea what would have happened had I done what I instinctively would have done before by releasing the gas and hitting the brake." I assumed you meant that that would potentially induce oversteer and that you avoided it by getting back on the gas. I did not mean that you did, just that you thought those actions would.
Yes, you should be ashamed of yourself making such a cavalier post.
errrrrr!
That IS what I thought would happen?
Ok, so I am going into a right hander too hot. Instead of staying in it and following the right line using power to get me through the turn, I opt to mash my brake and turn to the right through the turn.
what happens?
Won't my *** come around to kiss me on the lips?
LOL
Nordschleife Master
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,601
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From: Abbotsford B.C.
"Ok, so I am going into a right hander too hot. Instead of staying in it and following the right line using power to get me through the turn, I opt to mash my brake and turn to the right through the turn.
what happens?
Won't my *** come around to kiss me on the lips?"
Bernie, for this very reason porsche installed more front Bias than opt, to prevent the @$$ from coming around under braking in a corner,
what happens?
Won't my *** come around to kiss me on the lips?"
Bernie, for this very reason porsche installed more front Bias than opt, to prevent the @$$ from coming around under braking in a corner,
