I have a couple more questions about the 944 and 924 that I'm hoping you can help with:

1- Did they stop including power windows as a standard feature on the 944 for the 1988 model? (in looking at a website which lists the standard features for each year, it shows power windows as a standard feature for every year except 1988)

2- I think the sunroof became a standard feature for the 1989 944, but was it an option in the models before 1989?

3- In looking at used Porsche prices on the Kelly Blue Book site (the 'standard' for used car prices in the USA), it says that used 944's should be able to be purchased from a private dealer in EXCELLENT* condition for the following prices (all prices are for manual transmission and around 100,000 miles on the odometer):

1986 - $3,055
1987 - $3,405 ($3,630 for S)
1988 - $3,725 ($3,975 for S)
1989 - $4,625
1990 - $5,600
1991 - $6,475

{1987/1988 924S are $2,755 and $3,000}

* They define Excellent as: the vehicle looks great, is in excellent mechanical condition, needs no reconditioning, engine compartment clean w/no fluid leaks, paint is glossy, no rust, body and interior are free of any wear or visible defects, and tires nearly new {with a clean title history}

I don't know much about used cars, but don't those prices seem a little low for a Porsche in what they consider "excellent" condition?

4- I believe someone said here that the difference between the 944 and 944S was that the S had 16 valves (please correct me if I'm wrong). Did the 924S have 16 valves or just 8?

Thanks again for any help you can provide.

TBB

 

The 924S did not have 16 valves - the "S" denotes that it has the same engine as the 944. Forget the "blue book" value of these cars, you'll seldom see one at a dealer. An excellent example will generally have to be purchased from an enthusiast and will cost more than the prices shown. Sunroof, if I recall, was always standard - however a sunroof delete option was available. As far as I know, power windows were also standard in all years.

 

Sorry left out a little info:

the $4,625 for the 1989 is for the S model

the "standard" 1989 model (probably my first choice when I purchase) is $4,320

Sorry for the oversight.

TBB

 

I think the prices seem low too, but then again in Canada, even with the exchange rate, these cars are way more expensive for some reason.

I would say for a very clean car you'd probably have to pay a thousand or more than what they have stated. Just my guess. And then add on repair costs depending on whether you're working on the car yourself or not.

944na = 8v ~150hp.
944S = 16v ~188hp
924S = I have no clue

 

88 also have power windows

924S is a 8 valve engine. The "S" in 924 is not the same as 944S. 924S and 944 are the same engine and drivetrain with different bodies. 944S or S2 are 16 valve.

I would not go by the "blue book"!! They do not take into account 1 owner cars which will run higher than the book will give. Too many variables on our cars to generalize the cars worth.

Sunroofs were available on all years. Dal

 

2 - sunroof was standard but could be ordered as a delete option.

3 - throw the book away, near impossible to come close to blue book. KBB is great for cars that are bought and sold everyday and are mass-produced. Our cars are neither of those things.

4 - Keith is right on 924S has 944 engine not 16V version.
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Yep KBB is worthless. I looked up my M3 a while back (56k, 1 owner, meticulously maintained, never been in so much as even a parking lot ding) and the price it suggested was ~$4,000. I've seen similar cars selling for close to $20,000.

 

those book values are most likely based upon documented sales, which probably means wholesale auctions or what dealers gave in trade.

remember, there are not many 944s so there is a limited data base, unlike say a Honda Accord.

Condition is key. Yes you can find cheap 944s all the time, but like any used car, pay now or pay later...

 

BTW: does anyone have a great picture of a 1989 (non S) 944 or a picture of a 1987 924S that they can post? Thanks.

TBB

 

Those prices dont look right at all! Excellence rates them at a much more real world view. As of april 2003 excellence states the 944 at- (all in excellent condition)
1986 - 6063
1987 - 6313
1988 - 6725
1989 - 7338

The poor and average conditions are listed at around 3500. You can find cheaper for both conditions, but you pay for what you get, and as always, a Porsche is only worth what someone will pay.

The 924S is rated at 6000 for 87, and 5769 for 88 in excellent condition. Again, you can find cheaper...but dont expect to pay 3000 for a concours 944.

Blue Book rates my S2 at 7198. Excellence at 12,225. And Porsche North America evaluated it at $22,000. Even assuming i would take an offer for less than 15k for mine is a joke. Half the people here may not buy it at that price, but someone will pay my price. (though mine is NEVER for sale) There is a butt for every seat. Someone will pay.
Blue Book is not represntative of the real world.

If you want, drop me an email or a PM, i have excellences excellences from every month for a couple years. If you want more detailed pricing i can email you what they've said.