Not Porsche but German
12-03-2016, 01:18 PM
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Woozers! Justin, thank you. I think I'd die & go to heaven with one of these Quattros. They look so good too. *sigh* History is history... they won races that they won... no fantasy, Patrick-just history! :P
12-03-2016, 01:34 PM
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I don't see a lot of 924 or 944 in the Audis demonstrated in the video, but please do enlighten me if I am missing somethingNo, you didn't miss anything except my point perhaps. I assume you know your 924/944 history. And then there's Dr. Piëch, who even after leaving for Audi maintained a significant interest in Porsche.
When I read "Not Porsche but German", I assumed it was going to be BMW or Merc.
Had you said, for instance, "Not Porsche but a Close Cousin", there wouldn't have been anything to comment on.
12-03-2016, 01:36 PM
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awesome. Both of these videos were great. Amazing to see Quattros in the hands of capable drivers.
Cheers!
12-08-2016, 12:19 AM
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So after seeing the picture of the Audi subframe, I had to try it myself since I have plenty of quattro parts sitting around and a bare 968 shell.
Well, half of it bolts right up! Albeit backwards from how the factory did it, but proper to have Audi uses it. You have to trim off the transmission mounting tabs (how the prototype is). It could be mounted as the factory did it with some offset subframe bushings (which are already made).
The front requires more work, since the 944 chassis rises up more to where the stock 944 crossmember mounts. It looks like the factory prototype used some kind of blocks to make up the space and mount the fronts. Something similar could be done to replicate this. I don't have the control arms mounted on the subframe, so I couldn't tell where they'd sit in the fender wells. The prototype uses Audi control arms though. Mounting the arms could give a better idea as to if the prototype used the same mounting holes as I matched up.
Downsides, at first glance it looks like this setup might move the control arm mounting further down than the OEM setup...would need to actually mount it to find out for sure. But that wouldn't be super awesome for track cars that are already battleing control arm angle issues and bump steer.
2016-12-06_09-29-12 by Vex Art, on Flickr
And for fun, the chassis drawings that show the mounting holes. I hope to find a better one of the 944 as the height mesurements for the mounting points aren't clear or the necessary ones are missing.
944 85+ dimensions by Vex Art, on Flickr
1987Audi4000QuattroFrameDimensions by Vex Art, on Flickr
Well, half of it bolts right up! Albeit backwards from how the factory did it, but proper to have Audi uses it. You have to trim off the transmission mounting tabs (how the prototype is). It could be mounted as the factory did it with some offset subframe bushings (which are already made).
The front requires more work, since the 944 chassis rises up more to where the stock 944 crossmember mounts. It looks like the factory prototype used some kind of blocks to make up the space and mount the fronts. Something similar could be done to replicate this. I don't have the control arms mounted on the subframe, so I couldn't tell where they'd sit in the fender wells. The prototype uses Audi control arms though. Mounting the arms could give a better idea as to if the prototype used the same mounting holes as I matched up.
Downsides, at first glance it looks like this setup might move the control arm mounting further down than the OEM setup...would need to actually mount it to find out for sure. But that wouldn't be super awesome for track cars that are already battleing control arm angle issues and bump steer.
2016-12-06_09-29-12 by Vex Art, on FlickrAnd for fun, the chassis drawings that show the mounting holes. I hope to find a better one of the 944 as the height mesurements for the mounting points aren't clear or the necessary ones are missing.
944 85+ dimensions by Vex Art, on Flickr1987Audi4000QuattroFrameDimensions by Vex Art, on Flickr