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16v tech question...Ignition amplifier??

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Old 11-24-2016 | 01:45 PM
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It's also a huge source for electrical noise, it's basically a bunch of windings creating and collapsing a magnetic field every time the coil fires. So it's good to get it away from low power signals, like sensor inputs.
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FWIW the 91 S2 did away with the ignition amplifier.
Old 11-24-2016 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by odonnell
It's also a huge source for electrical noise, it's basically a bunch of windings creating and collapsing a magnetic field every time the coil fires. So it's good to get it away from low power signals, like sensor inputs.
Indeed? Not a darlington or something like that?
Old 11-25-2016 | 12:26 AM
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Wow I wasn't thinking straight, the coils are in....the coil

Yeah, it's just a high power transistor usually.
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So does this or does it not exist on 3.0 engines?

Specifically on a 968?

I got a code 67: Final Ignition Stage, Group 1 and can't find documentation on this code.
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It was only on the 89 and 90 S2 models. I'm guessing the 968 used the 91 S2 type system without the amplifier.
Old 05-12-2017 | 08:03 AM
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Interesting to see the negative talk about these parts. Same units used on every 928 from 1985 - 1995 and failure is considered very rare.

Heat is usually the #1 culprit for such devices, the location in the 928 in the nose in front of the radiator may be better than where the 944S/S2 have it located.

It's recommended at some point to remove the unit from the heat sink (the bracket it's bolted to) and replenish the paste between the two. Same stuff used between a computer CPU and heat sink. Just be very, very careful removing the unit. They easily pull apart which will ruin it.
Old 05-12-2017 | 02:06 PM
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Fairly sure the 91 up still has it, Its in my 968 swapped S2 and was part of the engine harness..
Old 05-12-2017 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Interesting to see the negative talk about these parts. Same units used on every 928 from 1985 - 1995 and failure is considered very rare.
it's like the cam-chain-tensioner issue...944S/S2 have an oil restrictor in the head and are known to have wear issues with cam chain tensioners.

928S4 with nearly the same head and the same chain tensioners, has no oil restrictor and the tensioner pads only ever need replacement "if you're already in there"...

so basically...your ignition modules are better oiled
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968 does not have ignition amplifier. If you get final stage error it may be that the transistor inside DME is dead. If you get spark it is not dead.
Old 05-13-2017 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by V2Rocket
Hoping someone can explain why the 944S/944S2 as well as the 928 DOHC models were fitted with an "ignition amplifier" which sometimes causes issues...

I know the whole DME was different on the DOHC cars vs the SOHC cars so I assume there is some hardware differences requiring it but functionally...the DME sends a signal which fires the ignition coil which jumps the dizzy down to the plugs and sparks.

So what is the point of the amplifier? Does it receive the hall sensor signal for more accurate timing or...?

I am in the midst of a DOHC swap into my NA car, but I am using VEMS ECU so it doesn't really matter to me, but I am still curious.
I would like to hear and see a few pics of your swap. i have 6 differend kinds of 944 based cars. at 60 living in the city i dont need much for power but my 944 race car is under powered compared to the other cars around me so I have the option of swapping the 87 S motor out of a stock 100,000 mile car I have sitting around or swap a 968 motor that I have sitting on a pallett.
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Originally Posted by Raceboy
968 does not have ignition amplifier. If you get final stage error it may be that the transistor inside DME is dead. If you get spark it is not dead.
Interesting, in tracking another error down, it seems to point to my DME having issues.

Which transistors are we talking here?
Old 06-02-2017 | 11:00 PM
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IGBT ignition transistors, usually with 400V clamp voltage. Not sure of the shape 968 DME uses but nowadays most are TO220.



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