Fishey

This Heat issue just simply isnt true anymore...

Here is my 3200+ temps (proved accurate by both onboard and thermal probe) 39/102F(cpu) and 38/100F (System) My case is a Enlight 7237 (I think thats the right model number) Just one fan in and one fan out... MY OLD T-bird 1.4 runs at 37c but that has a Swiftech MC462 (lapped with delta 80cfm) 2 120mm intake (107cfm fans right above cpu) 2 exhaust fans rear (delta 80mm 60Cfm ) 1 exhaust front (delta 80mm 60cfm)

It is clear that the Althon has become a much cooler running chip. When the voltage decreased so did the heat.

Dan87951

Where I work we call the AMD Athlons "Furnaces".

Brian McCoy

FWIW, I'm running an AMD 1700+, and I see cpu temps over 50C (from both the board and external probes), and system temps in the high 40's. 3 panaflows (80mm) in, 2 out plus a slot fan over the top of my ATI 8500AIW and the PS fans. Filters on all inlets that are cleaned monthly (so dust/dog hair isn't an issue) and the PC is away from the wall.

My dual P3 linux box is the same case, only 1 fan in, 1 out + the PS fan and temps never get over 40c (though it runs a LOT harder for longer peroids of time).

Maybe the newest AMD chips with the .13micron build are running cooler just like when Intel went that route, I haven't done homework on anything in 3 months.

2+2

Hey gents...

Fishey...thanks for that tidbit of info regarding Dell PSU and mobos.... that is actually pretty atrocious and scummy for Dell to do a sneaky change like that. At least they should have the decency to change the connectors so that people like me wouldn't fry their new boards......

Savage944, thanks for your offer but any savings you may get me will likely be eaten up by shipping costs, especially for things like a case/PSU. I will probably be better off sourcing those locally than even newegg for the same reason. Maybe the CPU and RAM may be worth it.... send me a PM if you have any creative ideas/solutions.

You guys definitely convinced me to build my own system if I get a new computer. At least I will know what I have etc. My strategy for now is to look for a great deal on a socket A mobo that supports the new 400MHz FSB with 2 GIG RAM capacity and get maybe a 2000+ Athlon with 512 ram. That way, I can upgrade the CPU only in the future as the 3000+ Athlons drop in price with the advent of the 64 bit Athlons and upgrade HDs as I run out of space.

I didn't realize building/upgrading a computer is so fun!! It's kind of like modding a car...except much cheaper.... it's almost fun as my 951...almost

Thanks for the tips and my hats off to you guys..

Fishey

I would highly suggest going to a 2500+ as it a cooler running chip. Cost around $90 ?
I got the spec sheet saved for a sweet "cheaper" rig on Newegg

elvisizer

jeez, brian, those are some REALLY high temps, esp. if you're not over clocking. if that was my system, i'd re-mount the heatsink after cleaning it's base and re-applying thermal compound (arctic silver 3 is really good). what heatsink are you using, anyway? get a bigger one, or a faster fan on the one you have.
the heatsink that fishey mentioned (swiftech 462) is about the best you can buy, but it requires your motherboad to have the 4 mounting holes around the cpu, so don't buy that unless you have the 4 holes in your board. the 462 is a big bad beauty, though- i'm running one as well on my athlon 2800 (overclocked to 3200 speed) and it doesn't get above 37-40 degrees C unless I turn off the a/c in my apartment and play NFS:PU for 5 hours straight . . . .
50 degrees C is pretty darn high, high enough that i'd be looking for a problem, starting with the heatsink.

elvisizer

2nd to fishey's 2500 suggestion. that chip has great OC potential, and it's at a great price these days.

Ag951

I'd only recommend that setup if you want a low power, pretty fast, non-gaming machine, at a reasonable price. Running my Athlon system 24/7 is making my office the warmest room in my house, so I want to turn my 150-deg F space heater off, except when gaming, hence a low power replacement.
If you want gaming power, get an athlon 3000 or better, and the latest geforce or radeon card.
If price is more important than heat production, get an athlon over a celeron.

However...be careful with Athlons. I've been fiddling with chips since I chopped the floating point disable pin off of a 486SX33, and I've only burned out two chips in all that time. Both were athlon 1200s, both were the same day. The newer ones have heat protection circuits, but if you get an older one, you can cook it without any effort.
(I have an Nx586 picked up along the way. I think I should donate it to a museum.)

Well your practice is paying off. You're tops in my book.

The celeron is doing pretty well, it beats the 1600 in some tests.
The 1400 isn't as fast, because of its core. If you ran a barton at 1400 clock (not "1400+"), it would probably be faster than the celeron, but not a t-bird...the core is too old.

Then it's not a 1.4GHz.

I have no directX, so I don't care. A geForce 4MX runs X-Windows better than a 2MX, because it has more ram, faster ram, and a better memory bus.

They're in the 70-75W range, versus 50-70W for my XP 2000+ Thoroughbred B, and 53W for my new Celeron...that's a big difference!
When the clock speeds go up, the heat does. When the fab size goes down, heat does. When the clocks go up, and the die shrinks, the heat stays about the same.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2003...istory_big.gif

Brian McCoy

It's a fairly large pure copper Thermaltek (I think that's the right name.. been a couple years since I bought it). Passive heatsink though there's an outlet fan drawing right across the thing. The CPU is rock stable till over 60 then I start getting random crashes/errors. I'm not too concerned, it's been like this for just shy of 2 years now and I have alarms set for 58C so I know when to lay off whatever I'm doing. *shrugs* I'm going to upgrade here in a few months (just the proc, the rest of the system is fine) when prices start falling because of the AMD64 bit... Looks like the 2800+ will probably be within my 'range' shortly.. and maybe the 3000/3200 too.

Fishey

Ag951

I found this to my suprise the 1.4ghz Amd athlon was able to best even the p4 2.0a and p42.0(faster then the 2.0 celeron) in some test. True the 1.4 T-bird isnt as advanced as the Palomeno but its amazeing on how close the benchmarks score it most of the time.
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2002...ghbred-15.html


Brian McCoy
I would buy a 2500+ over a 2800+. Here is why the 2500+ uses a more advanced core (barton) and is "cooler running" also the 2500+ is the overclock king as it was made from the same chip as the 3200+ (multiplyer is the same) the diffrence is that the 3200+ runs a 400mhz FSB all you have to do on the 2500+ is set it to 400mhz FSB and it will run fine without problems. Then you will have a 3200+ chip for alot less $$$ (I have 3 friends doing this without issues)
You will need 3200+ memory (or really good 2700) and a 400mhz fsb capable board


http://www.pureoc.com/amdxp2500_1.asp
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...JsX3BhZ2U9MQ==

elvisizer

well, no wonder it's so hot . . . without a fan, the athlon is not a happy cpu.
just make sure you get a heatsink with a fan for the new one!

Chris_924s

Every Athlon and T-bird I built had been fluid cooled- My .02

a bit of plumbing, but the chip performed much better. (another use for "water wetter" !)

Fishey

I Really was going down that road untill I relised
1. I still have fan's on radiator.
2. No way to get below room temp
3. Water tanks weigh alot and need to be serviced (Not fun to move a heavy case)

So I concluded that a peltier is still the best way to go
(I am talking about strong Peltiers)

More information.
http://www.heatsink-guide.com/peltier.htm

Ag951

I have a zalman flower heatsink. The flower design gives it almost 3000cm^2 of surface area (surface is what counts in cooling).
During the winter I can run it without the fan on my AthlonXP 2000+.
In the spring, I had to install the fan. It comes with a large 92mm whisper quiet fan that mounts on an arm over the heatsink.
Without the fan it runs a few degrees warmer than the aluminum junk amd shipped with the chip. With the fan it runs cooler than the amd HSF. In both configurations, it runs dramatically quieter than the AMD fan.

elvisizer

yeah, i've seen those zalman heatsinks . . . passive cooling IS always quieter, and zalman makes good stuff- that fan is neat, 'cause it can move a lot of air while spinning relatively slowly, since it's so big. . .
i'm more comfortable sacrificing a few db's for lower temps, though . . .

i was surprised to read on amd's tech docs today that the max operating temp for athlons is 85C


that's toasty . . . i wonder how long it could survive that?