GOBOGIE

Here's another cut and paste from that same post from Dave Fracolli. More great information for all you "my car is faster than your car" guys.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... Jerry Seinfeld

924 924t 924s 944 944 944s 944s2 951 951s 968
0-30 3.2 2.6 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.6 2.2 2.3 2.2 2.3
0-40 5.3 4.0 3.9 3.8 3.6 3.7 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.3
0-50 7.4 5.4 5.4 5.3 5.1 5.5 4.5 4.5 4.2 4.7
0-60 9.7 7.0 7.4 7.4 7.0 7.5 6.0 5.9 5.4 6.1
0-70 13.6 9.0 9.7 9.9 9.4 9.8 7.8 7.8 7.1 8.2
0-80 17.7 11.3 12.3 12.7 11.8 12.5 9.7 9.8 8.9 10.2
0-90 22.3 13.8 15.9 16.8 15.4 16.4 12.4 11.9 10.9 12.7
0-100 30.4 17.9 20.1 21.0 20.0 21.1 15.5 14.9 13.5 15.7
1/4m 17.2 15.4 15.7 15.6 15.7 15.7 14.4 n/a n/a n/a

GOBOGIE

More good stuff on the 944 Turbo S/1989 951. This article from Car and Driver qoutes even better 0-30, 0-40 etc times for the turbo S/1989 951 than what has been qouted elseway. This can be found on this website
http://vista.pca.org/stl/944turbo.htm

Again this is all stolen info from my previous thread (or pissing match/contest as Euro 944 says :-)

******************CUT & PASTE*************
All these changes resulted in a Porsche with performance that rivaled even the famous 911 Turbo. The standard yardsticks of 0-60 mph and top end were 5.5 and 162 based on the manufacturer's data. Car and Driver's road test in June of 1988 provided this additional data in miles per hour: 0-30 = 2.0; 0-40 = 3.0; 0-50 = 4.1; 0-60 = 5.5; 0-80 = 8.8; 0-100 = 13.6; 0-120 = 22.1 with a quarter mile time of 13.9 at 101 mph. Owners report the factory top speed has been consistently achieved and those with after market chips and mild performance enhancements report top speeds of 172 mph!!

'86 944 turbo

I never said my car was faster then anyone's car on this forum. I posted this because some people here were saying that 944s2 are faster then the 951 and was wondering how is a 944s2 faster then a 951.

GOBOGIE

It's OK, a pissing match (if that's what you want to call it) is good for those computer sittin'/Rennlist postin' drag racers out there!

It's all in good fun anyway ;-) And BTW, don't worry you didn't start anything, this has been going on long before you ever registered here.

Then again, you are the one that open'd the can of worms again now aren't you

Take Care,
Cory

'86 944 turbo

It's good to open the can of worms once in a while. If i don't, then who well.

Take Care bud,
Leo

DerSchlechtSpecht

Relax, we are all driving 13 to 20 year old cars here. No reason to fight about which one of these 80's cars is faster than the other. I love the 944 turbo because its fast. There I said it! for all you turbo guys you can sleep good at night knowing I admit you are faster than me. I love my N/A because Im used to driving it everyday and I can PRETEND its fast.

Christian

Rich Sandor

How about instead of looking at 0-60 or 0-100 or 1/4 mile times, we take a look at how many S2's versus 951's are running track events. and i'm not talking about auto-x. Yes I'm talking about proper RACES, as in GT GT4 GT3 etc. How many S2's? no where near as many.

They are great daily drivers, you don't need to drop the clutch at 4500 rpm to get a great launch like you have to in the turbos. But that doens't make them good race cars.

**** away gentlemen!

Rally Guy

I think it's an intesting dicussion. I have owned both (951 and S2) and find the S2 much more "usable" in city driving and real-world (street) use.

The stats are fine to talk about - but light to light, cone to cone or corner to corner (note to note for the rally guys) is where the truth lies.

0-60 always struck me a useless stat anyway. Technically there's NOWHERE you can do this legally. The only place in Ontario you can go 60 mph (100km/h) in on a controlled access highway - where's it's illegal to STOP.

I think both cars are great - buy the one that suits your needs and love it to death.

RK

Thom

"Wrong" comparison Rich.
You cannot compare a turbocharged car to its NA "equivalent" as far as racing is concerned since the turbocharged one will always have a greater development potential

Now how about fifth gear throttle response when cruising ?

Wahoogie

There's one place I know of I can do 0-60 runs legally. Stoplight, and the speed limit is 55...so speeding 5mph over isnt a big deal. Always late at night though.

951and944S

The 944S is underestimated by representative #'s posted here IMO.
I can consistently run 15.0-15.10 at 90-92mph in my (now my son's) '87, no airbag "S".
How the numbers could validate a 6.0 second differential in 0-100 times between an S and an S2 is beyond me considering that there's only 20-30 hp difference and the aero disadvantage of the lighter S car is not *that* great.......

Can't speak on the "stock" trim turbo car since mine is reasonably modded.
From a roll (clutch slips from launch, have Spec lightweight ready to install) of 10-15 mph vs. a modded LT1 Camaro that runs consitent 12.70 at the local strip, I'm nose to nose, dead even to 95mph where I begin to pull away. The key IMO with the turbo car when running from a slight roll is to apply enough throttle to keep your rolling speed constant with about 25% braking force applied. This loads up the engine and allows the turbo to spool for quick getaway.

Terry S.

wjk_glynn

I've compiled a list of over 50 road-test results at the following link:

http://www.weissach.net/924-944-968_...stSummary.html

Karl.

HOT-SHU (a.k.a. Wes Shew)

Rich, wrt racing history for S2'. In 1991 the S2 won every race in the IMSA firestone firehawk endurance series. A first in the history of the series at the time. It ran grand sports category. I believe the closest competitive car were V8 Camaros. It also won a # of races in the 1990 series. PCNA commerated these wins by printing a poster of the S2 at the track.

Does the 951 have any race history, other than the cup car series? Did it race the Playboy/Escort challenge series?

dave120

I dunno if they still do or not, but years ago they ran plenty of S2s in some lower racing class 24 hour events..I still see them in historics as well...funny how a much higher percentage of them seemed to finish than 951s...hmmm.

A guy I talked to at my last DE that runs those types of events with their 951 and they said they have to scrap the motor at the end (if it finishes) of the race, whereas the S2 they used to run you'd shut it off, and maybe change a few seals and tension the belts before the next race. I guess in racing the faster lap times are more important, but if the thing doesn't finish it's still gonna get beat by the slower car.

What won the Rolex 24h overall this year? a Lowly NA 996 GT3 RS in the GT class over all these monster high-powered prototype cars, you know why? Because it didn't have anything break. Endurance racing shows better cars...a 20 lap sprint race is hardly worth it.

951and944S

The last thing I'd do is knock an NA (8 or 16 valve) as I drove one for nearly ten years. I just recently gave up my '87 S to my son and everytime I sit in the seat it fit me like an old shoe. I love my 951 and it would destroy the S at ANY facet of performance but I just can't seem to get as comfortable in it as the S car. Maybe it's the sports seats.....?

As dave 120 pointed out, yes, fast lap times *do* seem to be important in racing.....

And re. LeMans or Daytona type endurance racing....Porsche built it's legacy with turbocharged cars that do last entire race lengths so the "sprint race" comment is a bit off the mark.

Again re. endurance and reliabilty of a properly setup turbo engined car vs. NA, I offer this....

This is the race car version of the 944. It raced in the 1981 24 Hours of LeMans and finished 7th overall, a quite credible showing for a new engine. Do keep in mind that this LeMans showing of the 944 was 2 years (in 1981) before the 944 car was even offered for sale (in 1983).

The GTP was powered by the same 2.5 liter inline-4 engine in all 944 cars, which was then turbocharged, and the end result was an astounding 420 HP. In addition to 7th place, the GTP spent just 56 minutes in the pits the whole race, the least time of any entrant....

from... http://www.flat-6.net/view.php?model...+GTP&tab=oview

Terry S.