TheAllusionist

Second post here, basic recap, got a 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo with under 48,000 original miles recently. It has Porsche Factory Qualifying software/chips and supposedly LSD and at 45,000 miles timing belt and water pump replaced as well as other belts replaced after that. The front control arms are the aluminum ones and of course it is early offset with 16" phone dial wheels.

I have been replacing anything needing replacing like drivers seat upper, center counsel lid, hood and hatch struts..... So I have it in great shape once I have a wheel bearing replaced next month. I plan on shimming the wastegate and putting a test pipe on it to basically match the cup cars that my chip set is for.

With that in mind and that I want it to be a performance street car that I could race, I am looking at possibly putting a M030 package in it. I have cheap access to a 944S being parted out with a M030 package minus the rear torsion bar and thought that making it a long term project (having shocks rebuilt, cleaning and painting...... it might be great to put a factory package like this on my car, BUT I am not certain if their is anything unusual about the 944S M030 package.

Since I have access to shocks, struts, control arms, spindels, hubs, tie rods....... It seemed like it is very doable.

I have read and read on putting the package and late offset on early offset cars, but I haven't found much information on the M030 for the 944S NA, so I wanted to see if anyone knew of a reason it isn't a good idea or problems this particular M030 might have with my car.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this is one of those questions asked all the time, I have really researched and haven't found anything on 944 S M030 package added to a 1986 951.

admiralkhole

Get the rear sway! The 944S M030 rear sway is 20mm and was only available for 2 years. It's the biggest rear bar available stock of all 924/31/44/51/68 cars. If you do not want to put it on, I know a few people who would be interested.

TheAllusionist

Actually it is gone already that is why listed it as such. Thanks for educating me on that though in case I can track down where it went and get it.

NM'87 951

I've done some research on it, and it appears that the m030 option can be bolted in to the 951 (all years, I think) pretty easily. I don't remember the specifics, but I remember them enough to know I was already scouting the interweb for good deals on new/slightly used m030 parts for my 87 951.

Please, someone, correct me if I am wrong and I think it will help us both.

TheAllusionist

I have scoured the internet as well, but I didn't know if the M030 for a non-turbo was any different from the M030 for a turbo model, so I thought I better check. Thanks NM'87.

MAGK944

You can put everything on an 86 but to do it properly you will have to include the late offset arms and rear hubs. Basically you need to convert to late offset so you will need the wheels also.

TheAllusionist

Thanks Magk944. Front requires control arms, spindles and rotors/hubs and the rear just the rotor/hubs? Thanks, going to try and get everything I can suspension wise.

MAGK944

Yes just hubs & rotors for a late offset rear. Don't forget to get the front struts complete with different top mounts and all the brake calipers with flex lines.

Check for LSD, it was a 220 option and not part of the Club Sport 030 option.

TheAllusionist

Thanks again!

NM'87 951

Is the 1987 considered the early model? Will I need to replace rear hubs and arms for the offset? Looking to replace the shocks and struts, arms and bars front and back.

MAGK944

87 is late so you have the correct a-arms up front and hubs at the back. 82-86 is considered early offset.

mel_t_vin

Allusionist, is your goal to specifically convert the early offset suspension to late offset, or are you simply interested in upgrading your 951 suspension to M030 specs?

If the latter, unless I'm missing something, all 944/S M030 bits, springs, dampers, torsions [25.5mm vs 24.5mm], and sways [26.8mm vs 24mm front and 20mm vs 18mm rear] should simply bolt on to your '86 951 chassis, as is, with no modifications.

MAGK944

You are right torsions and sways will bolt straight up. What you are missing is that the rotors need the 87+ hubs and spindles at the front and the 87+ hubs at the back. The late spindles are set at a different angle (about 4 deg) from the early spindles which means you need the late offset arms to get you back to normal.

mel_t_vin

Okay, my understanding was that the 944S M030 sport suspension package consisted of springs, dampers, sways, and torsions...not [turbo/turboS] brakes.

If the 944S M030 option included the same calipers as the 951 M030 option [medium blacks], I stand corrected, and the OP would need front hubs/spindles/rotors and rear hubs/rotors. If it does not, the calipers off this 87/88 944S would be a serious downgrade from 86 951 calipers.

In that case, unless the OP specifically wants to convert to a late offset suspension, hubs/spindles are not necessary.

Oddjob

An 87 944S M030 package would be koni shocks, no brake upgrade. I recall there is a 20mm rear swaybar (non adjustable) that was part of the 944S M030 setup. Likely just used the turbo 25.5mm bar front. I don't think there was a torsion bar upgrade in '87.