OT: A silent respect to all who died in today...
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Originally posted by giuffrec:
<STRONG>Tabor,
What happen in your life for you to have a lack of respect and appreciation of today's events. How cold you have come accross. No matter if you thought it was 1,000 or 50,000 dead most in this country would find your opinion quite inhumane as do I. Instead of back peddling maybe you need to re-evaluate your own reaction.
Sorry for Your Lack</STRONG>
<STRONG>Tabor,
What happen in your life for you to have a lack of respect and appreciation of today's events. How cold you have come accross. No matter if you thought it was 1,000 or 50,000 dead most in this country would find your opinion quite inhumane as do I. Instead of back peddling maybe you need to re-evaluate your own reaction.
Sorry for Your Lack</STRONG>
Now, I understand the strategic importance of retaliation (so that it doesn't happen again). But human life is human life. I am not trying to debate it's improtance. All of the media coverage I see for this one event gives me the preception that people cared more about these lives then the other ones that are uselessly lost to disease, accident, etc.
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Originally posted by kevin Dubois:
<STRONG>i would like to say anyone who wants to get back at the terrorists "and the people who harbor them" are a bunch of hipocrits. the media is playing with all your minds by saying the terrorists did this because we are a sign of freedom. what a load of bull****. they did that because we did something to them, to make them feel vengeful. We (the US) has killed hundreds of innocent people in the mid-east, and all around the world. We think nothing of it, until they get angry and attack back. Then we say "were going to get you, you cowards!" when in fact we are all cowards. we have to forgive the people who did this, no matter how hard that may be, it has to stop here. stop the violence, because as we all know now, revenge is sweet until it it happens to you.
tonight, i will be praying to god, for the people involved, the dead, the rescue workers, and for the innocent victims we have killed elsewere.
Last, by starting a war with these people, you can all expect this tragity to dwarf what would happened if we killed a spiritual leader of a bunch of madmen.</STRONG>
<STRONG>i would like to say anyone who wants to get back at the terrorists "and the people who harbor them" are a bunch of hipocrits. the media is playing with all your minds by saying the terrorists did this because we are a sign of freedom. what a load of bull****. they did that because we did something to them, to make them feel vengeful. We (the US) has killed hundreds of innocent people in the mid-east, and all around the world. We think nothing of it, until they get angry and attack back. Then we say "were going to get you, you cowards!" when in fact we are all cowards. we have to forgive the people who did this, no matter how hard that may be, it has to stop here. stop the violence, because as we all know now, revenge is sweet until it it happens to you.
tonight, i will be praying to god, for the people involved, the dead, the rescue workers, and for the innocent victims we have killed elsewere.
Last, by starting a war with these people, you can all expect this tragity to dwarf what would happened if we killed a spiritual leader of a bunch of madmen.</STRONG>
1. Unless you retaliate you are a sitting duck, and they will do it again.
2. If you retaliate, they will do it again.
I do not know which is correct.
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Amen to your post Kevin. I'm canadian and am glad to be canadian today. I think what happened is absolutely sickening but you have to ask yourself why this sort of thing doesn't happen in Canada. We (the US) has killed hundreds of innocent people in the mid-east, and all around the world. We think nothing of it, until they get angry and attack back. Vietnam, Gulf war comes to mind.. I'm not trying to cause **** here but you have to ask yourself why sometimes. In defense of Tabor, I don't think he means to come across as callous. The media has a sick way of saturating things. Look at catastrophies that have happened in India for example. Thousands wiped out in an earthquake... Is their coverage like this? My 2 cents...
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MAKE NO MISTAKE - it was an attack on freedom. Please tell me why it is NOT??? Please tell me the last time we flew an Afganie Airliner into one of THEIR skyscrappers.
There are 2 points of view.
1. Unless you retaliate you are a sitting duck, and they will do it again.
2. If you retaliate, they will do it again.
I do not know which is correct.
1. Unless you retaliate you are a sitting duck, and they will do it again.
2. If you retaliate, they will do it again.
I do not know which is correct.
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Originally posted by Tabor Kelly:
<STRONG>What's the big deal? How does today sugnifigantly alter the future?</STRONG>
<STRONG>What's the big deal? How does today sugnifigantly alter the future?</STRONG>
significant;
1) Having or expressing a meaning; meaningful.
2) Having or likely to have a major effect; important: a significant change in the tax laws.
3) Fairly large in amount or quantity: significant casualties; no significant opposition.
I can also spell uninformed, pathetic, and apathetic. Tabor, you do have a dictionary, don't you?
God Bless the USA
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Who says defense and retaliation is not right? That it's injust...? The only reason we haven't had full scale attacks launched on our country is because everyone knows we will stand up to anyone who threatens our freedom and our lives. Terrorists do not sweep through our streets because they know that almost every friggin home owner in this country owns a gun! And some people who live here want our guns taken from us??! Shame on you people. You must not get the big picture.
The whole world will feel the shockwave from this. Here is an EXAMPLE that is happening right now: The Japanese stock market has just fallen 6%, it hasen't been that low in 15 years as analysts are reporting. Not to mention all of the effects it is having on our country. Where did all of those thousands of people who lived in the city only hours ago go? Tabor, you mentioned that some people don't even drive, they ride to work. How did they evacuate the city then?? They had to run for their lives! Literally! Where are they now? Who knows...
What about the World Trade Center? Gone. But let's talk about effects here... What's the building made out of? Asbestose!(sp) Those people were covered in ash and asbestose-Which causes cancer. All of those people might have cancer a few years down the road from now and die.
Peter Jennings was crying on the air! Who has ever seen him cry?? He was reporting about all of the people standing on top of the roof. Screaming, waving their arms trying to get off of the roof. He was asking how rescuers would get them down. Minutes later all of that came crashing down with the people still up there. Very very sad....
The whole world will feel the shockwave from this. Here is an EXAMPLE that is happening right now: The Japanese stock market has just fallen 6%, it hasen't been that low in 15 years as analysts are reporting. Not to mention all of the effects it is having on our country. Where did all of those thousands of people who lived in the city only hours ago go? Tabor, you mentioned that some people don't even drive, they ride to work. How did they evacuate the city then?? They had to run for their lives! Literally! Where are they now? Who knows...
What about the World Trade Center? Gone. But let's talk about effects here... What's the building made out of? Asbestose!(sp) Those people were covered in ash and asbestose-Which causes cancer. All of those people might have cancer a few years down the road from now and die.
Peter Jennings was crying on the air! Who has ever seen him cry?? He was reporting about all of the people standing on top of the roof. Screaming, waving their arms trying to get off of the roof. He was asking how rescuers would get them down. Minutes later all of that came crashing down with the people still up there. Very very sad....
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I also wanted to add that right now, at this very moment as you are reading these words, there are people trapped underneath all of that wreckage, with no hope of ever getting out. What is going through their mind right now? try and place yourself in their position? I can't do it... They even had a cell phone trace from someone calling 911 from the Mariott Hotel that is burning up. People will not be found for weeks, if not months who are still under there alive right now. Many survivors of the building crash say that people we helping out the weak and getting them out to safety. Sadly, many of those people did not make it out with their own lives. Just goes to show how many good willed citizens there are. Even people in foreign countries like Great Britain are offering their condolences and looking on with grief for the American tourists who are visiting their country because they fell their loss. I'm sorry, I just had to get that out.
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So I was watching CNN, feeling quite sorry for the people involved (as I always have), when they read some quotes from a statement that our president issued. Basically saying, "this will not change america".
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Tabor,
Car crashes are accidents. Disease is ill fate. But attacks are deliberate! Attack has motives behind it. Who is it so hard for you to grasp this concept? Read our Constitution. God knowing if we do not stand up for ourselves and what we believe in, "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" will all be a thing of the past as some guy who you can't even pronounce his name is crushing our country.
Tim C.
Car crashes are accidents. Disease is ill fate. But attacks are deliberate! Attack has motives behind it. Who is it so hard for you to grasp this concept? Read our Constitution. God knowing if we do not stand up for ourselves and what we believe in, "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" will all be a thing of the past as some guy who you can't even pronounce his name is crushing our country.
Tim C.
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lets see last time we sent over some cruise missiles there was one that went astray and killed a bunch of innocent people. this was the last time we went after Bin Ladin. gulf war? we Annihilated bagdad. i'm sure a few people were killed there. to them, this is the United Airliner smashing into the WTC. you are so blind to the world it is Ridiculous. We are not the only victims in the world, and if you can't understand this, i feel sorry for you.
But I can't resist...
lets see last time we sent over some cruise missiles there was one that went astray and killed a bunch of innocent people.
gulf war? we Annihilated bagdad. i'm sure a few people were killed there.
you are so blind to the world it is Ridiculous. We are not the only victims in the world, and if you can't understand this, i feel sorry for you.
-Matt
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Tabor,
America's moral and sense of urgencey in addressing this situation will not be changed. Businesses are reopening tomorrow. Will they be changed? Indefinately. There are insurance companies and other large corporations that were in the WTC that no longer exist. One peticular stock company took up 50 floors of one of those buildings and is now completely gone. How do you deal with that? Someones car was totally destroyed by this, but the insurance company covering it was also lost in the building. How do you sort through that? So much change... but one thing stays the same and that is the idea shared my many that whoever perpetrated this will not be tolerated and is going down for good.
America's moral and sense of urgencey in addressing this situation will not be changed. Businesses are reopening tomorrow. Will they be changed? Indefinately. There are insurance companies and other large corporations that were in the WTC that no longer exist. One peticular stock company took up 50 floors of one of those buildings and is now completely gone. How do you deal with that? Someones car was totally destroyed by this, but the insurance company covering it was also lost in the building. How do you sort through that? So much change... but one thing stays the same and that is the idea shared my many that whoever perpetrated this will not be tolerated and is going down for good.
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Coming from Australia I feel a long way from trouble. However it scares me to think that there are people anywhere in the world that would kill so many innocent people so easily. These guys are worse than Hitler in my opinion. If it was Australia or friends of mine were killed I would want revenge to be carried out in the ugliest way to these people. And the people in Israel(?) celebrating it deserve to be shot also. Maybe then it wouldn't be so much of a celebration.
I trully hope this gets resolved the best way possible. Good luck to anyone with missing friends or family.
Sam.
I trully hope this gets resolved the best way possible. Good luck to anyone with missing friends or family.
Sam.
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Originally posted by SonyGuy:
<STRONG>Tabor,
Car crashes are accidents. Disease is ill fate. But attacks are deliberate! Attack has motives behind it. Who is it so hard for you to grasp this concept? Read our Constitution. God knowing if we do not stand up for ourselves and what we believe in, "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" will all be a thing of the past as some guy who you can't even pronounce his name is crushing our country.
Tim C.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Tabor,
Car crashes are accidents. Disease is ill fate. But attacks are deliberate! Attack has motives behind it. Who is it so hard for you to grasp this concept? Read our Constitution. God knowing if we do not stand up for ourselves and what we believe in, "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" will all be a thing of the past as some guy who you can't even pronounce his name is crushing our country.
Tim C.</STRONG>
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Matt,
I agree. But let us not forget all of those men and women who have had to leave family members, children, etc. and get into uniform, wait for further notice. These men and women are all waiting for instruction. They would give their life for this country and for our safety. I hold a lot of respect for these people and so should all of you.
Tim
I agree. But let us not forget all of those men and women who have had to leave family members, children, etc. and get into uniform, wait for further notice. These men and women are all waiting for instruction. They would give their life for this country and for our safety. I hold a lot of respect for these people and so should all of you.
Tim