Perry 951

Anyone know what varities of paint they used at the factory? I cannot find any refrences to it.

I would like the same primer, base coat, clear coat combo that the 968 Guards Red cars had.

I think there were 2 or 3 manufacturers.

Type_LT

Not that this is directly related to your post but...

I've heard that some colors that Audi used in the past are the same used on the 944. I have some touchup paint that follows an Audi part number for my grey metallic 951.

keith

Sikkens, and?

85944na

glauserit?

adrial

I think it was Thad that recommended I call the guys at <a href="http://www.carcareonline.com" target="_blank">http://www.carcareonline.com</a> . He said the owner had a 944 of some sort...

Haven't done that just yet...other issues more important than looks.

Perry 951

Well.. I found a link to one of the 914 restoration sties, and that had a spinoff to a '87 930 site, and so on and so forth.

Here is what I found. Depending on color, availible stock, and owner prefrence, you could get Sikkens, a PPG varient (rare), DuPont Immeron, and Glasurit.

I have sprayed Immeron before, so I will try and get a color match.

Danno

DuPont Imron hasn't been available in California for close to 10-years due to VOC-content laws. It's definitely the smoothest flowing paint I've ever seen. And looking at the texture of my factory paint (Alpine White), it's definitely is NOT Imron.

Perhaps I'll head down to Mexico and rent a paint booth for a week when I repaint my car in Ferrari Charro Rosso RED (using DuPont Imron of course).

Tom R.

Beware of the difference between Guards Red, and India Red.

Adrian

Dear Tom,
Guards Red and Indian Red are the same colour code. 80K. Guards Red was only used to describe the colour in "English Speaking Lands and English colour code charts". Indischrot is the name of the colour officially. I believe this was the introduction of Political Correctness.
What you need to be aware of, regardless of the name, is shades. They vary somewhat from very bright English Postbox Red to a pinkish shade.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

keith

Adrian is right about the color naming, as I have pontificated to exhaustion about on this board before. However, 80K is only one code, of 2 for the same color (I will repost with the other code and reference when I get a chance to get to my home computer).

There was one formulation change around 1987, then another some years later.

The early Guards?India?Indischrot? was more of a "tomato" hue, the later, a "redder" hue.

I actually prefer the tomatoey one, as I've seen it on less cars.

Best I can tell, they BOTH fade to pinkish after years of exposure... funny thing being, the faded panels all seem to be in the same place on all the red 944s! weird.

Perry 951

I have a connection with a dude I used to paint with that can get Immeron.

You are corret.. one of the easiest and most durable enamles to use. I was suprised to see that they used it. It is common on large 18 wheelers, fire trucks, and 69-76 Vettes.

951and944S

BASF, maker of the factory Glasurit, toay,as the "Glaser" (German) was ought out years ago, also makes a cheaper line under the name R & M..

The two colors Guards and India ARE the same according to PPG, BASF, and DuPont.

I have a binder with plenty of Glasurit info if your interested in the history behind the company.

Be sure of a few things if your interested in duplicating the "original" color.
The sealer coat is the most important thing when spraying single stage enamels, and in this case single stage urethanes/enamel.
This coat should cover ANY bodywork, where the original finish, if already GR, was covered by primer, filler, stone gaurd, and such.
If the finish your covering was not GR, then cover the entire car with the appropriate tint of sealer.
Each color needs a tint to the sealer, which is shaded using a dark, medium, and light (white), shades of gray, in varying proportions.
In the case of a perfect GR finish, the sealer is White.
This is how the factory gets the brightness in the Guards red, and explains jobs you may have seen that "don't look quite right", as well as the controversy in the difference between the two color names.
You can paint over the red and keep the same effects, because the white sealer is still undisturbed, supplying the brilliance..

I've seen plenty shady jobs, and I paint cars as a sideline, as my father-in-law owns a body shop.

Take my advice, get the Glasurit, it belongs on the car, single stage urethane/enamel, 35-45psi, at HVLP gun, 3-4 coats will give the reccomended mil thickness and leave enough to wet sand and buff..

SS paint cannot be used for mettalic colors..!
On 944's, only black, white, and red as far as I know were single stage.

Terry

Perry 951

I have always been a fan of a base/clear system, it is more forgiving, and I think you get a much deeper finish. The question is if I can get activated enamel in Guards, with the activated clear. Most of it is NLA.

As far as the Glasurit, I have never shot it, and have no idea how it flows, or how it will turn out. I hate to turn mine into the test mule, but paint is paint in many fashions.

As far as the process, I would assume, like you said, a standard 4 coat shot, but the sealer is the hang up. I assume it is like a norml tinted activator for 1 stage enamel. (Such as MSP or Immeron) I have never heard it called a sealer, or is it an overlay of the base coat? Also, who sells it? (besides my friendly Porsche dealer, who would want my first born for a gallon)

You can tell I have never used this product.

Tom R.

So then do different years have different pigmentation, even though the code is the same? Or do the differences in color have to do with brand and or clearcoat?

keith

yeah, check out a low mileage early 951, then check a 964 or later 911...