Would it be fair to say that Porsche hates the 944?
08-18-2011, 01:47 PM
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How dumd can they be, turning down cash flow. What does it matter which car it is, the way the economy is going, they should take whatever comes in. Financial morons as far as I am concerned.
08-18-2011, 01:48 PM
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the few times mine went to a dealer, they loved it, one of the salesmen had a 951, and the master tech had an s2, and up until about 5yrs ago techs were trained(not in depth, but enough) on cars all the way back to the 80's. the only downside to the dealer(really any shop) is wait time for parts. most of the dealers around here don't care what you drive, they're making money off it.
when i worked for bmw we had older 5's and 6's from the 80's in all the time, we had a tech who has been with bmw since 1983, he enjoyed the older one's.
btw: tire machine is about 3k
as or respect from others, i pulled into applebee's and parked next to a 930 carrera. i got out and he said you should've gotten a real porsche, i simply said you shouldn't talk about a car you know nothing about
when i worked for bmw we had older 5's and 6's from the 80's in all the time, we had a tech who has been with bmw since 1983, he enjoyed the older one's.
btw: tire machine is about 3k
as or respect from others, i pulled into applebee's and parked next to a 930 carrera. i got out and he said you should've gotten a real porsche, i simply said you shouldn't talk about a car you know nothing about
08-18-2011, 02:09 PM
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Just a stupid mistake on my part
; I am more than capable... this year alone i have done (in my apt parking lot) Lifters, Rod Bearings, Motor Mounts, Koni Inserts, and the Dreaded Clutch, just to name a few...
08-18-2011, 03:19 PM
#36
Same here, official dealer does not want to service 944's any longer. Little bit same with independent service. So much Boxsters, 996's & 997's to deal with.
I have changed belts to 14 944/968 during this summer.....
I have changed belts to 14 944/968 during this summer.....
08-18-2011, 03:34 PM
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I think the "front engined cars aren't real Porsches" argument is as retarded as the "rear engine placement is obsolete or a flaw, the 911 is only good in spite of it".
Rear engine placement has some excellent benefits. As long as the steering is in the front, the rear wheels are best used for drive power, and as long as drive power is directed to the rear wheels, hanging the engine over them gives you the best traction on corner exit, allowing you to get on the power sooner and be accelerating while the front and even mid engined cars are still coasting. If rear engine placement was the flaw that had to be corrected for, it would be the 911s that would get all of the "exemptions" to remain competitive in the ALMS GT class, not the other way around. And even with the mid and front engined cars getting all the "cheats", they still lose to the 911s year after year.
Yes, it means more potential for spins, but if you want a car that doesn't punish stupid driving, why not drive a Camry? Haven't you ever heard "slow in fast out"?
I appreciate everything that is great about 911s, 914s, 968s, 928s, even Panameras.
Rear engine placement has some excellent benefits. As long as the steering is in the front, the rear wheels are best used for drive power, and as long as drive power is directed to the rear wheels, hanging the engine over them gives you the best traction on corner exit, allowing you to get on the power sooner and be accelerating while the front and even mid engined cars are still coasting. If rear engine placement was the flaw that had to be corrected for, it would be the 911s that would get all of the "exemptions" to remain competitive in the ALMS GT class, not the other way around. And even with the mid and front engined cars getting all the "cheats", they still lose to the 911s year after year.
Yes, it means more potential for spins, but if you want a car that doesn't punish stupid driving, why not drive a Camry? Haven't you ever heard "slow in fast out"?
I appreciate everything that is great about 911s, 914s, 968s, 928s, even Panameras.
08-18-2011, 03:49 PM
#38
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Don't forget about the Increased Braking Ability of a Rear Engine design!
All that backend weight keeps the rear wheels planted during hard braking, and reduces forward weight transfer which tends to overload the front tires..
911s are able to brake way later than say competing Corvettes!
All that backend weight keeps the rear wheels planted during hard braking, and reduces forward weight transfer which tends to overload the front tires..
911s are able to brake way later than say competing Corvettes!
08-18-2011, 05:51 PM
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Be that as it may, I found it strange that the dealer told me he couldn't handle a head gasket change on one of my 944s because, and I quote : "they never come out right".
Meanwhile, his generation X mechanic was looking under the hood and shaking his head...
It just seems to me that Porsche was forced to build the 944 or face certain ruin.
Besides their exceptional handling, that's one of the principal reason why I love the 944.
Meanwhile, his generation X mechanic was looking under the hood and shaking his head...
It just seems to me that Porsche was forced to build the 944 or face certain ruin.
Besides their exceptional handling, that's one of the principal reason why I love the 944.
08-19-2011, 05:07 AM
#41
I do not think its a reflection of Porsche at all. When they quote those high prices for doing work that is there way of doing you a favor. They are basically saying with the value of the car that if you can not work on it yourself it is probably not worth owning. If you are filthy rich you can pay the prices they quote. Most current drivers of 944's are not filthy rich. In that case you just grab your wrenches and dig in, you'll thank them for it in the end.
08-19-2011, 05:59 AM
#42
It definitely pays to find out who deals with 944's in your area - even if they are far away. Then look at their credentials. I'm lucky to have motorscience.co.nz in the area - they build some pretty nice race cars as well as dealing with all the local "older" cars. To boot they are nice guys, and honest - they take pictures of their work as their going, and fully explain any work they do. Not precisely cheap - but not as expensive as the dealer. Can't win all ways...
08-19-2011, 09:59 AM
#43
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Maybe the good doctor can answer your question best
June 14, 1982
Dr. Porsche
invites you to test drive
the newest Porsche.
944
My family, beginning with my father, has been
designing and building cars for over 80 years.
At first, we worked for other companies.
"But always," my father said, "there were too many
compromises."
So we formed Porsche - to build Porsches. To our
family's own standards. Without compromise.
Our very first Porsche was the 356.
Now there is a new Porsche: the 944.
The 944 has a 2.5-liter, 4-cylinder, aluminum-silicon
alloy Porsche engine - designed at Weissach,
and built at Zuffenhausen.
It achieves a maximum torque of 137.1 ft-lbs as early
as 3000 rpm, and produces 143 hp at 5500 rpm.
On the track, the 944 accelerates from 0 to 50 mph
in 5.9 seconds. And it reaches the 1/4-mile mark from a
standing start in only 16.2 seconds at a speed of 84
mph. Its maximum speed: 130 mph.
The 944 has the Porsche transaxle design-proven at
Le Mans, and refined for everyday driving. It produces a
nearly-perfect 50-50 front-to-rear weight distribution
for balanced braking and improved cornering.
The 944's aerodynamic styling reduces air resistance
and improves road holding.
In fact, as a result of its total design efficiency, the 944
requires only 28 hp to cruise at 55 mph.
To my family, the 944 is more than a new car.
It is a new and true Porsche.
At Porsche, excellence is expected.
Dr. F. Porsche
Stuttgart
08-19-2011, 10:42 AM
#45
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the 944 was a cash cow for porsche in the 80s. if they didnt like the model they wouldnt have developed S, S2, and turbo models of it. nor turbo cup or 968. it would have been a stopgap like the second 912.