schlag

Someone explain again step-by-step how to do it..

W88951

Like Luke said,

I cannot drive without doint it. I hate driving a manual without heal toeing.

Keep it up, and those guys that are givin' you crap, probably do not know how to do it.

Sami951

Schlag, here's how I think it's done:

- approaching a corner, start braking...
- clutch in with your left foot, gear to neutral, clutch out...
- twist your right foot in whatever way you feel natural with, so you can stomp on the gas pedal while still braking. Then just rev it
- clutch in, downshift to the appropriate gear.
- clutch out and apply gas as necessary

So basically you're braking and double-clutching at the same time. When done properly you get 1) necessary braking and 2) super smooth downshift.

The idea is that while you could just brake and then downshift, heel-toeing takes a bit less time and also keeps the car way more balanced.

Bruce '89 s2

The throttle and brake pedals are too far apart to make H&T a really comfortable operation on the S2. Very necessary when you get that terrible drop in revs sometime and it feels like it's going to stall as you stop
Anyone have a mod for this to widen the throttle pedal???

Luke

really, all it is, is 'two birds with one stone'

the 'one stone' being the unit of time it takes to perform one of the two operations.

944Fest (aka Dan P)

Hmmmm.. my technique is a bit different, but maybe I'm doing something different. I roll my right foot so the right side of it is bringing up the revs while the left side of it is braking. The left foot is busy on the clutch. Ideally, when the clutch comes up from a downshift the RPMs are there to meet it, and no clutch disk wear happens. If you downshift without bringing up the revs to match, the clutch acts as a brake disk as the energy from the spinning drivetrain is transferred to heat... the car slows, the engine revs up, and the clutch takes the heat.. Definately the sign of a driver not interested in preserving his machinery..

JimV8

I've been driving for so long it feel like for ever. A double clutched an old truck but not the 944, I tried but found that matching revs seemed to get things done ok. #1 is to get it done before the corner so the car can get balanced out.

M758

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 944Fest (aka Dan P):
<strong>Ideally, when the clutch comes up from a downshift the RPMs are there to meet it, and no clutch disk wear happens. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yep.. you are right! Only problem is that I don't always get it right! Therefore I must practice!

Dave in Chicago

Not a part of the time...
Not a percentage of the time...
ALL the time!

Make it second nature and totally automatic. Only off-ramps provide similar degree to track, but good to practice rev-matching always.

Steve Lavigne

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Waterguy:
<strong>For those who say its not necessary on a 951, how do you downshift into first smoothly at 20 mph on synchros with over 100k miles wear? <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If you are referring to me, I did say that the 1st gear downshift is the only one I double clutch for.

schlag

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Sami951:
<strong>Schlag, here's how I think it's done:

- approaching a corner, start braking...
- clutch in with your left foot, gear to neutral, clutch out...
- twist your right foot in whatever way you feel natural with, so you can stomp on the gas pedal while still braking. Then just rev it
- clutch in, downshift to the appropriate gear.
- clutch out and apply gas as necessary

So basically you're braking and double-clutching at the same time. When done properly you get 1) necessary braking and 2) super smooth downshift.

The idea is that while you could just brake and then downshift, heel-toeing takes a bit less time and also keeps the car way more balanced.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ahh, great - thanks.

Dal Heger

I always do it. It's second nature. It just doesn't feel right to not heel-toe downshift.

Keep doing it. Tell your friend that they just don't know how to drive. Better yet, tell them to get an automatic because they're not good enough to drive a manual.

Dal.

jabbadeznuts

All the time.

GOBOGIE

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 944Fest (aka Dan P):
<strong>Hmmmm.. my technique is a bit different, but maybe I'm doing something different. I roll my right foot so the right side of it is bringing up the revs while the left side of it is braking. The left foot is busy on the clutch. Ideally, when the clutch comes up from a downshift the RPMs are there to meet it, and no clutch disk wear happens.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Nope, that's how I was taught too!

Geo

Count me with the all the time crowd. In fact, our old truck was so poorly set up for it that the brake pedal would be well below the throttle pedal when braking. I had a hard time with this until I thought about racing school (Spenard-David) when Richard Spenard talked about having to be able to adapt and the time he had to use his ankle on the throttle when his brake pedal started getting really long in a race. I tried it and eventually got really good at it in the truck.

I fell like I have three left feet in a manual gearbox vehicle if I cannot heel/toe.

Double clutching is an anachonism and not only is not necessary with a modern gearbox, but is also a waste of time. If your car has wire wheels and side curtains, perhaps you should double clutch. If it's newer than that, you should probably forget it.