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Camber Plates for 944/951-Lindsey or Racers Edge?

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Old 01-15-2011, 05:59 AM
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How are the GC or RE plates set-up for replacing the bearings? Are suitable replacement bearings readily available for either unit?
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Return to RE for bearing replacement on RE. Don't worry, it won't be for a looooooong time.
Old 01-16-2011, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark944na86
How are the GC or RE plates set-up for replacing the bearings? Are suitable replacement bearings readily available for either unit?
I don't know, I've had my GC's for around 6 years and have not had to replace the bearing yet.
Old 01-16-2011, 03:27 PM
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I run 300# springs with a 30mm front bar and have not had shock travel issues. I'm dropped about 1.5" as well.
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For the guys w/ no bottoming problems, what strut brand/models are you running? Stock struts have a lot of shock travel compared to some of the race valved struts. Which might be the issue, as the shop that I had the dicussion with is commonly using 28 series Konis on PCA Club Race cars, in the 700-800 lb/in range.

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Do the LR camber plates have the same separate needle bearing assembly for the spring hat seating surface, as the ground control units?
So - anyone know?

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Originally Posted by Oddjob
For the guys w/ no bottoming problems, what strut brand/models are you running? Stock struts have a lot of shock travel compared to some of the race valved struts. Which might be the issue, as the shop that I had the dicussion with is commonly using 28 series Konis on PCA Club Race cars, in the 700-800 lb/in range.



So - anyone know?
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Oddjob
For the guys w/ no bottoming problems, what strut brand/models are you running?
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I'm using the plates show in the link from944CS. 250 lb springs on the Ground Control stuts with Koni Sport inserts. Lowered as far as it will go without rubbing. Just put in the Rennbay track ball joints and Weltmiester control arm bushings. Feels great now.
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for up to 3 degrees of -camber check out TRG...good quality and fair price! Chuck

http://www.imgt3performance.com/prod..._VehicleId=129
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for up to 3 degrees of -camber check out TRG...good quality and fair price! Chuck

http://www.imgt3performance.com/prod..._VehicleId=129
These look like the design where the load is entirely on the uniball joint, rather than on the needle bearings between the plate and the strut hat (as shown in the pic posted by Oddjob). Correct?
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Originally Posted by Mark944na86
These look like the design where the load is entirely on the uniball joint, rather than on the needle bearings between the plate and the strut hat (as shown in the pic posted by Oddjob). Correct?
Yes, that is correct. The GC camber plates are the only ones that I am aware of that have the separate bearing for the spring hat (unless someone can confirm if the LR plates are of a similar design).

I have had a set of the TRG plates on a PCA Club Race 951 for about 8 yrs w/o issue. The factory mounts, RE plates, Kelly Moss plates, etc. all take the load right on the bearing.

The only benefit I can see of having the bearing in a rotating spring hat, is that the coil spring will not bind or slip on the top hat when turning. Anyone with a rigid mounted top hat, has heard the springs pop on occasion when making tight turns in the paddock, or backing out of the driveway (as the bottom perch rotates with the strut and the top perch is stationary with the camber plate.
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Originally Posted by Oddjob
The only benefit I can see of having the bearing in a rotating spring hat, is that the coil spring will not bind or slip on the top hat when turning.
I thought the main idea was to put less stress on the uniball bearing. From the GC website description:

Originally Posted by GroundControl
The Ground Control camber plates feature two sets of bearings, a proprietary bearing, made to our specs by Aurora in the USA, which allows for articulation of the shock shaft. This spherical bearing is very understressed, as the Ground Control design does NOT support the weight of the car on the spherical bearing. Instead, the weight of the car is supported by a completely separate articulating needle bearing, which is also manufactured for Ground Control in the USA.
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I am aware of GC's marketing claim. But the reality is that having the load sit on the spherical bearing is not a chronic problem, as all other camber plates do w/o significant issue.
Old 01-18-2011, 12:05 PM
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one benefit of the GC design, which I'm surprised they don't mention, is the reduction in hysteresis of the suspension with those needle bearings. Gives a more consistent wheel rate.

In the sports car world at the club level this is often never even considered but once you go to open wheel cars or up past club level this is a major consideration
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Originally Posted by 944CS
one benefit of the GC design, which I'm surprised they don't mention, is the reduction in hysteresis of the suspension with those needle bearings. Gives a more consistent wheel rate.

In the sports car world at the club level this is often never even considered but once you go to open wheel cars or up past club level this is a major consideration
These work too: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...p?Product=1872


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