dk944s2

Okay, finally got the itch to do some time trials & DEs, and I'm wondering which harness bars you guys prefer and have experience with. At this point, I'd like to keep my stock seats, and I drive with the seat nearly all the way back, so clearance in this direction is an issue. I plan to use that little loop thing that slips over the seatback to keep the shoulder straps of the harness in place. As for appearance, I don't want anything too flashy...powder-coated black would be nice.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts. T-mucho-IA!

*eurospeed951*

Weltmeister Harness Bar used for about a year. I paid $140 for it. How about $80. Just let me know.

Dave

[quote]Originally posted by dk944s2:
<strong>Okay, finally got the itch to do some time trials & DEs....I drive with the seat nearly all the way back, so clearance in this direction is an issue.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most bars will alow a good range of movement fore and aft if you are refering to the seat base, most instructors will start with seat position, if you are refering to the seat backrest, so this won't be an issue either.

Z-man

I have a Stable Energies harness bar mounted to my C-pillar, giving me plenty of fore-and-aft movement of my seat. (I'm almost 6'3" tall!)

My harness bar mounts to the rear seat belt anchor points in the C-pillars, so it is a real stable setup. (No pun intended) I believe they are $100 new. Check the website: <a href="http://www.stable-energies.com." target="_blank">www.stable-energies.com.</a>

If you are using only a harness bar, bear in mind that you cannot attach your shoulder straps directly to the bar! You will need to get a set of eye-hooks and install those to the lower seat beat anchor points of the rear seats. Then get a set of latch hooks and attach those to your shoulder straps. You can then snap the shoulder harnesses in, loop them around the harness bar, and over the front seats and your shoulders.

And yes, the H-strap helps somewhat keep the shoulder harnesses together, but isn't ideal. (Racing seats are on my list of goodies to get soon! ) (I have G-force 6 point harnesses)

If you need help or advise, let me know. (z-man@pelicanbbs.com) Using a harness bar and harnesses for DE's is a real good idea: it's a safety thing, and you benefit by not moving around in the seat as much!

Regards,
-Z.

Doug944s2

Thanks Eurospeed, Dave and Z-Man. I'm leaning toward that Stable Energies bar, since my car is fitted with the rear 3-point belts. It looks like a pretty straightforward hook-up.

Z-Man, does that bar have little welded loops on top that the harness threads through? It looks like the Weltmeister has them. I'd think they'd keep the shoulder straps from falling off your shoulders. By any chance, do you have a photo showing the routing/attachment of the belts? If not, no big deal...I'll just check out some so-equipped cars at the next auto-X.

Z-man

[quote]Originally posted by Doug944s2:
<strong>Z-Man, does that bar have little welded loops on top that the harness threads through? It looks like the Weltmeister has them. I'd think they'd keep the shoulder straps from falling off your shoulders. By any chance, do you have a photo showing the routing/attachment of the belts? If not, no big deal...I'll just check out some so-equipped cars at the next auto-X.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, my bar doesn't have the little welded loops, but IMO, they really don't help much anyway. Plus, they can fray the sides of the harness a little!
My shoulder harnesses are connected with an 'H-strap' (made of the same harness material) behind the seats to keep them together, but they too, don't help too much.
Bottom line: no matter what you have behind you, if you have stock seats with the shoulder straps coming around the seat, there's always a chance the harness will slip in an accident. But at least it's better than a stock 3-point seatbelt.

I'll snap some digi-pics of my setup this coming week and post them here.
-Zoltan.

David Floyd

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A little more protection than just a harness bar, if for some reason you did roll the car and you are strapped in with belts and only a harness bar, your head would be the first thing the roof it, with the Redline bar or similar, there is that extra protection. IMHO

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[quote]Originally posted by David Floyd:
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A little more protection than just a harness bar, if for some reason you did roll the car and you are strapped in with belts and only a harness bar, your head would be the first thing the roof it, with the Redline bar or similar, there is that extra protection. IMHO

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Tom Pultz

I have a Brey-Krause harness bar for sale in the Classifieds section. I also have harnesses if you are interested.

Skip Wolfe

I would definitely look into the Brey Krause. The workmanship is far superior to both the Stable Engery and the Weltmeister and is also has 4 mounting points (B and C pillars), as opposed to 2, so it is much stronger in the event the untinkable happens. I had a Brey Krause for a bit over a year and sold it and went to the Redline Rollbar. It is a bit more at $500, but I am using a Momo Start seat, which really neccesitates using a rollbar.

While both the Brey Krause and the Redline bars are more expensive you definitly get what you pay for, and when dealing with saftey items you really don't want to skimp. The Brey Krause bar is also stainless so you can get a used one that will look brand new - check out Tom's bar that he has for sale.

Dave in Chicago

I have the RedLine bolt-in roll bar. I love it. It's more $$$, but I do a fair amount of track and look for a little margin of safety... Just in case I don't observe rule #1 - Keep the shiny side up.

Can you guess where I'm packed up to go for the next two days? Track? Good guess!

Craig_S

I personally wouldn't use a harness bar without a roll bar in the car. It's fine for autocrossing, but on a road course it can be a huge problem in the event of a roll over. Do a quick internet search for pictures of cars that have gone over on their roof- and then imagine if you were strapped into your seat with no room to duck.

Doug944s2

Again, thanks for the input, everybody. How much is the Redline roll bar? If I'm going to install anything, I might as well go with a little more protection.

David Floyd

$589 shipped is what John quoted me, he takes a $200 deposit and when there is enough orders then the lot is built. I am sending in my deposit asap