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10-18-2002, 12:48 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by deni durrell:
<strong>(in any case, asarus dude: p'tain mec, j'ai vu le truc ou vous avez tous parlez de cette 944 a l'americaine "brun" avec les sieges de mouton, qu'est-ce que c'est que ca?! Tu sais, il y a plein des bagnoles a la francaise qui sont aussi NULS.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I took some French in high school, but I suck. So, I put what you wrote into babelfish and got this:
p' silvering guy, I saw the trick or you have all speak about this 944 A the "brown" americaine with the sieges of sheep, what it is that Ca?! You know, there is full with the motors has the Frenchwoman which are also NULL.
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<strong>(in any case, asarus dude: p'tain mec, j'ai vu le truc ou vous avez tous parlez de cette 944 a l'americaine "brun" avec les sieges de mouton, qu'est-ce que c'est que ca?! Tu sais, il y a plein des bagnoles a la francaise qui sont aussi NULS.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I took some French in high school, but I suck. So, I put what you wrote into babelfish and got this:
p' silvering guy, I saw the trick or you have all speak about this 944 A the "brown" americaine with the sieges of sheep, what it is that Ca?! You know, there is full with the motors has the Frenchwoman which are also NULL.
<img src="confused.gif" border="0">
10-18-2002, 01:41 AM
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The car on e-bay looks alot like a red cup car that was for sale in Edmonton this past year. They were asking $60,000 canadian for it. I would be surprised if it sold. The only way I would pay that much would be if I was interested in owning some P-Car history. Otherwise I would buy a regular 951 (like my 89) and mod the hell out of it. By the time I got to $60K I would have a car that ran rings around the cup car.
10-21-2002, 05:51 AM
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Hi guys !
If you have some questions about the factory Turbo Cup, i'll try to answer you ;-)
Robby :
>> 1) That car has manual windows- I've never seen a window crank in one of these cars- also appears to have the regular 4x6 speakers- that kind of surprises me- the manual windows doesn't, even though they probably only save ~5lbs total...
My car has manual windows like all other race Turbo Cup. The speakers are not present (that's normal) but the car is factory fitted with the "cache" to avoid a big hole in the door
>> 2) The badge- I've seen a "Cup" badge on the back of one of these on a website, but it didn't have the "Turbo" in front of it- it almost looks like that guy found a "Cup" badge and stuck it on at the end- were they supposed to have the word "Turbo" there too? What about the color dif-"Cup" being in red? I've always wanted to get one of those, but no one seems to be able to find one- were they only released in France? Also, the interior badge mentioned- above the glove box- is it the same? Anyone have a picture of one anywhere?
The race Turbo Cup NEVER had Cup badge neither on the back on the car nor on top of the glove box.
Only the French Turbo S cars (called "road Turbo Cup" in France and only here...) did have this badges. Both of them (top of the glove box and back of the car) were in dark red
>> 3) The interior os this car- I assume he added te roll-bar, but, it's funny that he removed the seat backs, but didn't pull the bottom IMO, since he went so far as to ad the roll-bar, etc...
I added nothing... everything is stock. The seat backs are factory removed and the bottom is not (depending on the people in race). During the race, there was only one seat (the driver's one).
>> 4) The strut brace- doesn't look very worthwhile. It doesn't connect to the struts at all. Anyone seen how much just the weight of the wheels will make the struts sway inward when lifting the car? I want a brace that actually wraps around the strut tops and connects to all four bolts, etc- of course, some race classes have certain restrictions...
This is the FACTORY strut brace... so if Porsche Motorsports did it that way, i assume there were some good reasons...
>> 5) The red color looks a little differnet- not sure what shade, but it really looks nice from these pics- I'm going to check out the actual page to see if there are more...
This is a factory "Guards Red", you can see pictures on <a href="http://www.asarus.com/cup" target="_blank">http://www.asarus.com/cup</a> by browsing my web site.. ;-)
Seb
If you have some questions about the factory Turbo Cup, i'll try to answer you ;-)
Robby :
>> 1) That car has manual windows- I've never seen a window crank in one of these cars- also appears to have the regular 4x6 speakers- that kind of surprises me- the manual windows doesn't, even though they probably only save ~5lbs total...
My car has manual windows like all other race Turbo Cup. The speakers are not present (that's normal) but the car is factory fitted with the "cache" to avoid a big hole in the door
>> 2) The badge- I've seen a "Cup" badge on the back of one of these on a website, but it didn't have the "Turbo" in front of it- it almost looks like that guy found a "Cup" badge and stuck it on at the end- were they supposed to have the word "Turbo" there too? What about the color dif-"Cup" being in red? I've always wanted to get one of those, but no one seems to be able to find one- were they only released in France? Also, the interior badge mentioned- above the glove box- is it the same? Anyone have a picture of one anywhere?
The race Turbo Cup NEVER had Cup badge neither on the back on the car nor on top of the glove box.
Only the French Turbo S cars (called "road Turbo Cup" in France and only here...) did have this badges. Both of them (top of the glove box and back of the car) were in dark red
>> 3) The interior os this car- I assume he added te roll-bar, but, it's funny that he removed the seat backs, but didn't pull the bottom IMO, since he went so far as to ad the roll-bar, etc...
I added nothing... everything is stock. The seat backs are factory removed and the bottom is not (depending on the people in race). During the race, there was only one seat (the driver's one).
>> 4) The strut brace- doesn't look very worthwhile. It doesn't connect to the struts at all. Anyone seen how much just the weight of the wheels will make the struts sway inward when lifting the car? I want a brace that actually wraps around the strut tops and connects to all four bolts, etc- of course, some race classes have certain restrictions...
This is the FACTORY strut brace... so if Porsche Motorsports did it that way, i assume there were some good reasons...
>> 5) The red color looks a little differnet- not sure what shade, but it really looks nice from these pics- I'm going to check out the actual page to see if there are more...
This is a factory "Guards Red", you can see pictures on <a href="http://www.asarus.com/cup" target="_blank">http://www.asarus.com/cup</a> by browsing my web site.. ;-)
Seb
10-21-2002, 09:33 AM
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[quote] were the Rothman's cars raced with the interior like this? <hr></blockquote>
All Cup style cars came with full interiors, as they were more or less a showroom stock racing class, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak
[quote]That car has manual windows <hr></blockquote> Yes, all the Cup style cars have this, for light weight
As a matter of fact, starting with the european cup cars AND the 1986 CANADIAN ROTHMANS CHALLENGE 944's (normally aspirated cars) we had our cars delivered with:
1. Deleted undercoating
2. Special racing alternators
3. Deleted power steering (u/k for sure on t.c)
4. Special racing suspension
5. Limited slip transaxle
6. Deleted power options and no air conditioning
7. Extended hub steering wheel
The cars were a little lighter and had full interiors.
No real mystery to the cars. And by the way there have been a lot of turbo cup cars for sale here in Canada.
Asarus is right on with his facts on the turbo cars.
And you couldn't duplicate a t.c. car at that price, although it is expensive (and their values are increasing)
All Cup style cars came with full interiors, as they were more or less a showroom stock racing class, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak
[quote]That car has manual windows <hr></blockquote> Yes, all the Cup style cars have this, for light weight
As a matter of fact, starting with the european cup cars AND the 1986 CANADIAN ROTHMANS CHALLENGE 944's (normally aspirated cars) we had our cars delivered with:
1. Deleted undercoating
2. Special racing alternators
3. Deleted power steering (u/k for sure on t.c)
4. Special racing suspension
5. Limited slip transaxle
6. Deleted power options and no air conditioning
7. Extended hub steering wheel
The cars were a little lighter and had full interiors.
No real mystery to the cars. And by the way there have been a lot of turbo cup cars for sale here in Canada.
Asarus is right on with his facts on the turbo cars.
And you couldn't duplicate a t.c. car at that price, although it is expensive (and their values are increasing)
10-21-2002, 09:34 AM
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[quote] were the Rothman's cars raced with the interior like this? <hr></blockquote>
All Cup style cars came with full interiors, as they were more or less a showroom stock racing class, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak
[quote]That car has manual windows <hr></blockquote> Yes, all the Cup style cars have this, for light weight
As a matter of fact, starting with the european cup cars AND the 1986 CANADIAN ROTHMANS CHALLENGE 944's (normally aspirated cars) we had our cars delivered with:
1. Deleted undercoating
2. Special racing alternators
3. Deleted power steering (u/k for sure on t.c)
4. Special racing suspension
5. Limited slip transaxle
6. Deleted power options and no air conditioning
7. Extended hub steering wheel
The cars were a little lighter and had full interiors.
No real mystery to the cars. And by the way there have been a lot of turbo cup cars for sale here in Canada.
Asarus is right on with his facts on the turbo cars.
And you couldn't duplicate a t.c. car at that price, although it is expensive (and their values are increasing)
All Cup style cars came with full interiors, as they were more or less a showroom stock racing class, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak
[quote]That car has manual windows <hr></blockquote> Yes, all the Cup style cars have this, for light weight
As a matter of fact, starting with the european cup cars AND the 1986 CANADIAN ROTHMANS CHALLENGE 944's (normally aspirated cars) we had our cars delivered with:
1. Deleted undercoating
2. Special racing alternators
3. Deleted power steering (u/k for sure on t.c)
4. Special racing suspension
5. Limited slip transaxle
6. Deleted power options and no air conditioning
7. Extended hub steering wheel
The cars were a little lighter and had full interiors.
No real mystery to the cars. And by the way there have been a lot of turbo cup cars for sale here in Canada.
Asarus is right on with his facts on the turbo cars.
And you couldn't duplicate a t.c. car at that price, although it is expensive (and their values are increasing)
10-21-2002, 09:34 AM
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[quote] were the Rothman's cars raced with the interior like this? <hr></blockquote>
All Cup style cars came with full interiors, as they were more or less a showroom stock racing class, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak
[quote]That car has manual windows <hr></blockquote> Yes, all the Cup style cars have this, for light weight
As a matter of fact, starting with the european cup cars AND the 1986 CANADIAN ROTHMANS CHALLENGE 944's (normally aspirated cars) we had our cars delivered with:
1. Deleted undercoating
2. Special racing alternators
3. Deleted power steering (u/k for sure on t.c)
4. Special racing suspension
5. Limited slip transaxle
6. Deleted power options and no air conditioning
7. Extended hub steering wheel
The cars were a little lighter and had full interiors.
No real mystery to the cars. And by the way there have been a lot of turbo cup cars for sale here in Canada.
Asarus is right on with his facts on the turbo cars.
And you couldn't duplicate a t.c. car at that price, although it is expensive (and their values are increasing)
All Cup style cars came with full interiors, as they were more or less a showroom stock racing class, and a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak
[quote]That car has manual windows <hr></blockquote> Yes, all the Cup style cars have this, for light weight
As a matter of fact, starting with the european cup cars AND the 1986 CANADIAN ROTHMANS CHALLENGE 944's (normally aspirated cars) we had our cars delivered with:
1. Deleted undercoating
2. Special racing alternators
3. Deleted power steering (u/k for sure on t.c)
4. Special racing suspension
5. Limited slip transaxle
6. Deleted power options and no air conditioning
7. Extended hub steering wheel
The cars were a little lighter and had full interiors.
No real mystery to the cars. And by the way there have been a lot of turbo cup cars for sale here in Canada.
Asarus is right on with his facts on the turbo cars.
And you couldn't duplicate a t.c. car at that price, although it is expensive (and their values are increasing)
10-21-2002, 11:51 AM
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If you can read French, have a look at my page here :
<a href="http://www.asarus.com/cup/reglement.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.asarus.com/cup/reglement.shtml</a>
There is the technical rules of the Turbo Cup Challenge, and several pages on the specific things that Turbo Cup have / don't have
For the Rothmans part, have you seen this one ?
<a href="http://www.asarus.com/ressources/rothmans/andrebloin.html" target="_blank">http://www.asarus.com/ressources/rothmans/andrebloin.html</a>
<a href="http://www.asarus.com/cup/reglement.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.asarus.com/cup/reglement.shtml</a>
There is the technical rules of the Turbo Cup Challenge, and several pages on the specific things that Turbo Cup have / don't have
For the Rothmans part, have you seen this one ?
<a href="http://www.asarus.com/ressources/rothmans/andrebloin.html" target="_blank">http://www.asarus.com/ressources/rothmans/andrebloin.html</a>
10-21-2002, 12:32 PM
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Another car worth mentioning, that I rarely hear of is the 944 Turbo Club Sport. Maybe it is the same, maybe not. I knew a guy who had one, new from the dealer..in White. The story was it was around 87 but had all the MO30 goodies, and light weight. no sound deadening and numerous other lightweight stuff.. thin glass, etc.. I did see a pic recently of a 944 with a big CS decal on the LF fender, maybe that was one. From what I recall, there was less than a dozen brought to the US. ANyone have one or know more about this car? Maybe it would be worthy of a new topic?
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10-21-2002, 01:03 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Dan P:
<strong>Another car worth mentioning, that I rarely hear of is the 944 Turbo Club Sport</strong><hr></blockquote>
I just saw a thread on the 911 Turbo forum that had a photo of a 930 engine build up next to a white 944 turbo with a cs/club sport graphic. The poster is Geoffrey. Here is a link to the thread:
<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000562" target="_blank">Topic: In the Beginning...</a>
<strong>Another car worth mentioning, that I rarely hear of is the 944 Turbo Club Sport</strong><hr></blockquote>
I just saw a thread on the 911 Turbo forum that had a photo of a 930 engine build up next to a white 944 turbo with a cs/club sport graphic. The poster is Geoffrey. Here is a link to the thread:
<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000562" target="_blank">Topic: In the Beginning...</a>
10-21-2002, 01:05 PM
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Dan: That may have been a UK version. I don't have my handy dandy P. Morgan book around ("The Original Porsche 924/944/968" book). I've seen them in there, but I can't post the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me Ferdinand. Someone should put that thing in pdf because it seems that it is what is lacking for references purposes around here.
10-21-2002, 10:32 PM
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Yep! That's a 944 Turbo Club Sport back there, for sure.. too bad there is a big honkin air cooled BLOCK blocking the view. I'm sure the car was brought into the USA (1987?) in very limited numbers. An associate at the time, who bought a new Porsche every year, usually 930's, scored one and I remember the fact it was like "1 of 12 in the USA" or something like that. I also know it got a little body damage on it from Mid-Ohio, nothing that wasn't repairable. (right rear?) Anyone else have some info on this rare bird?
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