Ag951

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Iain:
<strong>Sorry for the ignorance but I take it the 951s are turboed.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yeah, the 951 is the internal designation for the 944 Turbo.
<a href="http://www.flat-6.net" target="_blank">http://www.flat-6.net</a> has a pretty nice description of many of the different models. (My favorite is the 917/30).

Ag951

My autoX friend drives an SE-R Spec V. I'll see how well my 944 Turbo does against it this weekend.
But he's been running it for a year and I'll be on my first RWD autoX.

Dave951M

I think you'll find the 951 isn't a very good autox car. Much better on the track.

But as for the question, yes, fwd, properly set up, can be extremely fast. Understeer isn't much of a problem since you can generally drive your way through a curve. Same holds true in bad road conditions. Still wouldn't trade my 951 for an SE-R though.

Ag951

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Dave951M:
<strong>I think you'll find the 951 isn't a very good autox car. Much better on the track.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I've heard some ways to reduce the spool up time. If I can get rid of the turbo lag, it'll be much better. I'll take it to the road courses eventually, but probably not for a while.

Manning

Michael,

I had some great pics of a couple of GTI's out at Nelson Ledges lifting the rear wheel in every hard turn at speed. It was a hoot to watch and they were fast a sh...

By the way, you'll see 911's lift the inside front in hard cornering as well.

Geo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Dave951M:
<strong>I think you'll find the 951 isn't a very good autox car. Much better on the track.

But as for the question, yes, fwd, properly set up, can be extremely fast. Understeer isn't much of a problem since you can generally drive your way through a curve. Same holds true in bad road conditions. Still wouldn't trade my 951 for an SE-R though.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Indeed. I wouldn't either to be sure.

But the question was one of losing to a FWD car in the corners. I think you'd be surprised by some of the turbo SE-Rs out there on a track. That said, as the power goes up, the gap in performance envelope increases because it gets harder to put the power down through the tires that are also steering, even with a Quaife.

Again, not trying to stir anything up. Just trying to address the question. There are some really good FWD cars out there today. Much as I hate to admit it, there are some Honduhs around that are set up by true enthusiasts that are incredible track cars. But, I'd rather have a RWD car for my race car.

*Michael.*

OK, I just came home from test driving a Mini Cooper S for about 40min. That is a FWD car that is faster then mine on the twisties even with my suspesion mods and tires... Pretty sad.

......I think we may but one! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

JimV8

i had a lot of trouble with a stock G35 in the twisties at the track last year where we doing laps. It's a matter of tires, power, and oh yeah active suspension too. And maybe a little bit of driver.

JimV8

OOPs, G35 is rear drive. I feel better already, But I had a cooper S in the 70's and it would blow just about anything away.