REAR speaker install [pics]
08-25-2002, 05:23 PM
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REAR speaker install [pics]
what is up with typing up a post and it magically dissapearing? weird.
to everyone who thinks posts about speaker installs are pointless, useless, and for the braindead... good for you. personally, i never saw any good ones with pics of what it looked like so i was surprised to find what i did when i started taking my car apart.
im not going to go through the agony of taking the rear interior quarter panel. theres a buncha screws here and there, the rear seat belt attachment, and then theres the part where the fabric folds under the sheetmetal of where the rear quarterpanel window is. you can either pop the window out using a technique posted on rennlist or just carefully pull the fabric out. i pulled mine out, leaving the corner attached so i never actually removed the quarterpanel but.. its going to be a pain to stick it all back in, i havent done this yet.
in any case here is what you will find when you remove your quarter panel (this is drivers side, i have yet to do passenger side, and i think i might not for a while since the speaker on that side is still working):
as you see, wires, and a big hole. actually, in an 88.. not sure when this started.. you get that big hole which is covered with a black plate and foam. this is to accomodate a 4x6 speaker sideways. the hole you see is actually a lot bigger. almost big enough for a 6x9 but not quite because it tapers off to about 5" on the left side. oh well. i decided i could fit a 6.5" round in here. now.. in theory that should work just fine.. but in reality the holes are spaced out about 7 inches in the right side of this opening.. its very strange. all in all, after ordering the <a href="http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-a6LRAGHLZvI/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=10&g=52000&I=023PCXI652" target="_blank">Blaupunkt 6.5" PCxi652</a> i realized i needed an adapter plate to make the speakers fit into these oversized openings. answer: the <a href="http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/SCOSAC656" target="_blank">Scosche SAC-656</a>
this last image , which i have marked on, shows the holes you would be using for this particular speaker. the red circles are where the speaker mounts to the adapter plate. the red lines are where i needed to cut the plate to make it fit into the 944 quarter panel opening. the blue circles are where it actually mounted to the 944. only 2 holes, this is quite unfortunate. but its just about the only way i could mount it. there was a way to rotate it with 3 holes mounting, using the |_| openings but.. i decided to used the closed hole mounting points and screw them in tight. it should be allright. isnt vibrating so far, but i havent taken the car for a spin with it on yet.
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to everyone who thinks posts about speaker installs are pointless, useless, and for the braindead... good for you. personally, i never saw any good ones with pics of what it looked like so i was surprised to find what i did when i started taking my car apart.
im not going to go through the agony of taking the rear interior quarter panel. theres a buncha screws here and there, the rear seat belt attachment, and then theres the part where the fabric folds under the sheetmetal of where the rear quarterpanel window is. you can either pop the window out using a technique posted on rennlist or just carefully pull the fabric out. i pulled mine out, leaving the corner attached so i never actually removed the quarterpanel but.. its going to be a pain to stick it all back in, i havent done this yet.
in any case here is what you will find when you remove your quarter panel (this is drivers side, i have yet to do passenger side, and i think i might not for a while since the speaker on that side is still working):
as you see, wires, and a big hole. actually, in an 88.. not sure when this started.. you get that big hole which is covered with a black plate and foam. this is to accomodate a 4x6 speaker sideways. the hole you see is actually a lot bigger. almost big enough for a 6x9 but not quite because it tapers off to about 5" on the left side. oh well. i decided i could fit a 6.5" round in here. now.. in theory that should work just fine.. but in reality the holes are spaced out about 7 inches in the right side of this opening.. its very strange. all in all, after ordering the <a href="http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-a6LRAGHLZvI/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=10&g=52000&I=023PCXI652" target="_blank">Blaupunkt 6.5" PCxi652</a> i realized i needed an adapter plate to make the speakers fit into these oversized openings. answer: the <a href="http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/SCOSAC656" target="_blank">Scosche SAC-656</a>
this last image , which i have marked on, shows the holes you would be using for this particular speaker. the red circles are where the speaker mounts to the adapter plate. the red lines are where i needed to cut the plate to make it fit into the 944 quarter panel opening. the blue circles are where it actually mounted to the 944. only 2 holes, this is quite unfortunate. but its just about the only way i could mount it. there was a way to rotate it with 3 holes mounting, using the |_| openings but.. i decided to used the closed hole mounting points and screw them in tight. it should be allright. isnt vibrating so far, but i havent taken the car for a spin with it on yet.
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08-25-2002, 05:29 PM
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here is the plate attached to the speaker:
looks pretty good i think, considering theres probably no stock speaker that will fit in this opening.
whilst on the sounddomain website i also purchased some soundproofing/dampening material because the speaker was not going to cover up the whole opening in the quarter panel. just a note on this website, although their prices are good, it took me a long time to get this plate, first they just shipped the sound dampening material, and then when i called to ask about the plate they said it shipped. but it didnt. they sent it in the end, but i had to call them a few times.
heres a picture of the sound proofing material in place, took some creative cutting
and finally, here is a picture of the speaker in place, what a pain to get all this stuff to fit together!
well. thats it. hope i didnt miss any important points, or useful links. these speakers arent that great but they work better than inoperable stock speakers. im not going to tackle the passenger side for a while, only because this took so long and is so damned annoying
i have yet to go put my panel back in!
constructive comments are .. umm.. entertaining. im sure ill get some enjoy!
looks pretty good i think, considering theres probably no stock speaker that will fit in this opening.
whilst on the sounddomain website i also purchased some soundproofing/dampening material because the speaker was not going to cover up the whole opening in the quarter panel. just a note on this website, although their prices are good, it took me a long time to get this plate, first they just shipped the sound dampening material, and then when i called to ask about the plate they said it shipped. but it didnt. they sent it in the end, but i had to call them a few times.
heres a picture of the sound proofing material in place, took some creative cutting
and finally, here is a picture of the speaker in place, what a pain to get all this stuff to fit together!
well. thats it. hope i didnt miss any important points, or useful links. these speakers arent that great but they work better than inoperable stock speakers. im not going to tackle the passenger side for a while, only because this took so long and is so damned annoying
i have yet to go put my panel back in! constructive comments are .. umm.. entertaining. im sure ill get some
enjoy!
08-25-2002, 08:05 PM
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Glad to see some good pics of this stuff- thanks- I'm sure it will help many out there- I'm not sure when they started w/the extra part of the hole b/c I looked behind an '87 and found the opening, EXACTLY the same- unless the junkyard lied to me about the year. Anyway, it is to accomodate the 6.5" speaker that came in the Turbo S- you should be able to find a pic of this on Wlat Spectors write up for the 944FAQ- I forget who's site it actually is, but you can doa search- anyway, what the factory did is fill up that little section to the left (in your pic)- it's the part where the 4x6 would go- leaving the bigger downward rounded area for the speaker to go- the little adapter piece covers the small area, and contains a mounting screw or two for the factory 6.5" which is a SQUARE speaker- it has a square outer edge, just like many of the 5.25" speakers out there- that's why you can't find a match- I ended up taking one of my Turbo S speakers, WITH the little adapter plate installed, and carefully traced around the outer edge onto a piece of carboard, so I had an outer template- then, I took the new Infinity Kappa 6.5" that I bought, and placed it on the template- I cut out somem of the middle area, and then worked it so that I had a little frame made, that the normal 6.5" speaker would fit into it- it left an outline frame of about .5" all the way around- PLUS, the extra section that the original adapter piece filled up. I took the template to a stereo shop, and had them make a wooden adapter plate the exact same size/shape- I should have just done it myself- I could have done a better job w/a jigsaw, and saved the $30 for the pair, but, it's done now, and it worked out fine- Oh, I had also made the holes for then mounting screws, and ended up having to drill some of them out myself 
Anyway, it worked well- your's should do the trick though- I hope so, b/c if it isn't sealed up well, you will get noise through the openings- I HATE Stuff like that- I could really tell a difference when I took the speaker out and drove around w/the hole there. I received almost IDENTICAL plastic bracket pieces to yours, w/my Kappas- Anyway, if it doesn't work well, I can send you a carboard template to use so you can cut it from wood or something- actually, I also cut some out from foam, and glued the foam to the front of the wood- I stuck Dyna Mat to the back, so the wood was sandwiched b/t- I played around w/the foam, and it really felt like it coulod ALMOST support the speakers by itself- not sure I'd want to try it though since it's such a bitch getting back in there and everything....
Anyway, it worked well- your's should do the trick though- I hope so, b/c if it isn't sealed up well, you will get noise through the openings- I HATE Stuff like that- I could really tell a difference when I took the speaker out and drove around w/the hole there. I received almost IDENTICAL plastic bracket pieces to yours, w/my Kappas- Anyway, if it doesn't work well, I can send you a carboard template to use so you can cut it from wood or something- actually, I also cut some out from foam, and glued the foam to the front of the wood- I stuck Dyna Mat to the back, so the wood was sandwiched b/t- I played around w/the foam, and it really felt like it coulod ALMOST support the speakers by itself- not sure I'd want to try it though since it's such a bitch getting back in there and everything....
08-25-2002, 08:07 PM
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I like your tutorials! I used your photos to help me with the door Blaus I just bought (same as yours). Put them in on Friday night...sound much nicer than the ones I pulled out...and for $50, a good compromise!
What pisses me off is, the same question over and over--WHY would Porsche build the interior over a speaker!? Taking the WINDOW out to change a crappy small speaker? What were they thinking?
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
What pisses me off is, the same question over and over--WHY would Porsche build the interior over a speaker!? Taking the WINDOW out to change a crappy small speaker? What were they thinking?
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
08-25-2002, 08:14 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by AndyK:
<strong>What pisses me off is, the same question over and over--WHY would Porsche build the interior over a speaker!? Taking the WINDOW out to change a crappy small speaker? What were they thinking?
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I hear ya- but why did they do a lot of things the way they did? Like an ELECTRIC FU**ING SUNROOF that is pop-up OR pull out <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> I mean- what's the point of an electric motor to pop the rear of the lid up ~3"? I could add a few more things, but what's the point? It'll just get me angry- oh well- other cars have their quirks too- none of them are perfect- wish I could design my own sometimes. Of course, there would be lot's of things about it that other's would have different...
<strong>What pisses me off is, the same question over and over--WHY would Porsche build the interior over a speaker!? Taking the WINDOW out to change a crappy small speaker? What were they thinking?
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I hear ya- but why did they do a lot of things the way they did? Like an ELECTRIC FU**ING SUNROOF that is pop-up OR pull out <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> I mean- what's the point of an electric motor to pop the rear of the lid up ~3"? I could add a few more things, but what's the point? It'll just get me angry- oh well- other cars have their quirks too- none of them are perfect- wish I could design my own sometimes. Of course, there would be lot's of things about it that other's would have different...
08-26-2002, 03:52 AM
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I just installed 6.5" MB Quarts yesterday. It really wasn't a big deal to pop the windows out as in a previous thread to remove the vinyl siding and gain access to the speaker panel. Once the cover plate was removed I placed the speaker in position and as you said the screw holes didnt line up. Instead of bothering with an adapter plate I went ahead and marked where the holes needed to be to fit the speaker with a punch. I know it's heresy but then I simply took a 1/16th bit and drilled 3 holes to securely anchor the speaker about 90 degrees apart. Screwed on perfectly tight. Window/siding back in 10 minutes.
I debated about sealing up the remaining portion of the hole where the 4x6 speaker was but I was concerned that the positioning of the 6.5" speaker places it a bit to the side of where the sound ports in the siding were located for the original speaker. The mount site is such that only about half of the 6.5" speaker projects through the ports while the other half sits behind the siding. I guessed that the soundwaves may be able to reverberate off the siding and back through that original opening. What do you guys think? Did you drill/punch out additional
holes in the siding? I was afraid of making a mess of that.
Anyway the speakers sound only slightly muffled from being partially blocked behind the siding but they're about 50 times better than the old 4x6s.
Mike
I debated about sealing up the remaining portion of the hole where the 4x6 speaker was but I was concerned that the positioning of the 6.5" speaker places it a bit to the side of where the sound ports in the siding were located for the original speaker. The mount site is such that only about half of the 6.5" speaker projects through the ports while the other half sits behind the siding. I guessed that the soundwaves may be able to reverberate off the siding and back through that original opening. What do you guys think? Did you drill/punch out additional
holes in the siding? I was afraid of making a mess of that.
Anyway the speakers sound only slightly muffled from being partially blocked behind the siding but they're about 50 times better than the old 4x6s.
Mike
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Mike-
You must have the rear panel that has the little holes punched straight into it(?)- I didn't realize they still had those in '88 b/c the Turbo S had a regular style speaker grill over a big hole- strange shape though- One thing I hd always considered, was to cut the metal and mount a 6x8 (I don't think a 6x9 would fit) and then cut open the panel itself a little, and mount the larger speaker grill over the opening- you could do the same, albeit w/a smaller speaker grill and no metal cutting, since you have the speaker installed already- that might work...
You must have the rear panel that has the little holes punched straight into it(?)- I didn't realize they still had those in '88 b/c the Turbo S had a regular style speaker grill over a big hole- strange shape though- One thing I hd always considered, was to cut the metal and mount a 6x8 (I don't think a 6x9 would fit) and then cut open the panel itself a little, and mount the larger speaker grill over the opening- you could do the same, albeit w/a smaller speaker grill and no metal cutting, since you have the speaker installed already- that might work...
08-26-2002, 12:29 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by nikko:
<strong>On my 87 924s I didnt have to remove the windows but it took a little patience when pulling apart the glue maybe the 944 are different. I am not sure</strong><hr></blockquote>
Some of them can be pulled out, but not all- some seem to have gotten stuck in really well over the years (or something), and will stick- I had two guys that claimed to have removed the panels from several w/out removing the glass, try on mine, and they couldn't get it, so mine is one of the ones that has to have the glass removed- I just bent the almighty FU** out of the panels to get in there w/out removing either- I wouldn't do it again- I'd just find someone who's removed glass before and get them to help me do it that way- I hear it's really not that much of a bitch....
<strong>On my 87 924s I didnt have to remove the windows but it took a little patience when pulling apart the glue maybe the 944 are different. I am not sure</strong><hr></blockquote>
Some of them can be pulled out, but not all- some seem to have gotten stuck in really well over the years (or something), and will stick- I had two guys that claimed to have removed the panels from several w/out removing the glass, try on mine, and they couldn't get it, so mine is one of the ones that has to have the glass removed- I just bent the almighty FU** out of the panels to get in there w/out removing either- I wouldn't do it again- I'd just find someone who's removed glass before and get them to help me do it that way- I hear it's really not that much of a bitch....
08-26-2002, 03:04 PM
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Yeah Robby, my car has the punched holes in the panel. I would just as soon cut a hole in it to allow free flowing sound and then cover with a speaker grill. problem is there's some kind of 90 degree egress molded into the panel that juts out to form an arm rest or something. Just enough to prevent mounting a grill cover I think. Not sure what the S has, maybe I should look for a set of those panels to replace mine with.
08-26-2002, 03:19 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by michael2e:
<strong>problem is there's some kind of 90 degree egress molded into the panel that juts out to form an arm rest or something. Just enough to prevent mounting a grill cover I think. Not sure what the S has, maybe I should look for a set of those panels to replace mine with.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Turbo s has it too- the grills are an oblong shape- you really just need to do some measuring- I cna measure mine for comparison, although it really wont help your situation- but I do know what you're saying- another way I thought of was to actually cut down into the "armrest" (if that's what it is) section if needed, so a rounded grill would fit, but you would have to be careful- you realy wouldn't want to cut the hole the same size as the spekaer grill though- for instance, you would cut a size of ~ 5x7 out to fit a 6x8 grill- that way, you would havea little lip to glue too (or use screws)... I'm not messing w/mine bow though, since I decided not to use larger than 6.5's, AND, mine has grills anyway- I DID remove the tweeters that were embedded into the grills though- if interested in turbo S grills, I THINK They come w/the rear tweeters- the part # should be listed on the Turbo/Turbo S board under the factory speaker thread- I posted them for all the speakers for the guy, as I had planned to just buy all new factory stuff- I decided against it due to their price, even though the "S" stuff is pretty good- I think I made a good move, since the Kappas cost me $99 new....
<strong>problem is there's some kind of 90 degree egress molded into the panel that juts out to form an arm rest or something. Just enough to prevent mounting a grill cover I think. Not sure what the S has, maybe I should look for a set of those panels to replace mine with.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Turbo s has it too- the grills are an oblong shape- you really just need to do some measuring- I cna measure mine for comparison, although it really wont help your situation- but I do know what you're saying- another way I thought of was to actually cut down into the "armrest" (if that's what it is) section if needed, so a rounded grill would fit, but you would have to be careful- you realy wouldn't want to cut the hole the same size as the spekaer grill though- for instance, you would cut a size of ~ 5x7 out to fit a 6x8 grill- that way, you would havea little lip to glue too (or use screws)... I'm not messing w/mine bow though, since I decided not to use larger than 6.5's, AND, mine has grills anyway- I DID remove the tweeters that were embedded into the grills though- if interested in turbo S grills, I THINK They come w/the rear tweeters- the part # should be listed on the Turbo/Turbo S board under the factory speaker thread- I posted them for all the speakers for the guy, as I had planned to just buy all new factory stuff- I decided against it due to their price, even though the "S" stuff is pretty good- I think I made a good move, since the Kappas cost me $99 new....
08-26-2002, 09:08 PM
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I replaced my rear speakers a couple of years ago with 4x6 two ways and didn't remove the window or inside panel. I just removed the rear seat back lock post. This allowed me to pry out the panel just enough to get to the screws with a small right-angled screwdriver. I would only recommend this method for those with a lot of patience!!! It takes some time!
08-26-2002, 10:16 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by GentlmnGQ1:
<strong>I replaced my rear speakers a couple of years ago with 4x6 two ways and didn't remove the window or inside panel. I just removed the rear seat back lock post. This allowed me to pry out the panel just enough to get to the screws with a small right-angled screwdriver. I would only recommend this method for those with a lot of patience!!! It takes some time!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I did the same thing- I still had to bend the panel upward pretty hard to get to everything though- it's seen better days...
<strong>I replaced my rear speakers a couple of years ago with 4x6 two ways and didn't remove the window or inside panel. I just removed the rear seat back lock post. This allowed me to pry out the panel just enough to get to the screws with a small right-angled screwdriver. I would only recommend this method for those with a lot of patience!!! It takes some time!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I did the same thing- I still had to bend the panel upward pretty hard to get to everything though- it's seen better days...