Who likes the 924, raise your hand!
08-26-2002, 12:05 PM
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I dunno about the 924S.
I've driven them and they're really nice cars. The one I drove went like an SOB. They've got better wheel and suspension package, and a 944 engine, but I don't think they're easy to hopp up. And eventually you'll want to do so. In my view, once you go to the 944 engine, just bite the bullet and get a 944 Turbo.
I've got a 931 (i.e., 924 Turbo) and they're really nice cars. Finicky, temperamental, but yes, they can be decent daily drivers. Just don't drive like you're on the track every day and they'll hold up nicely. A 931, with an intercooler, will SMOKE a Corrodo. We've got lots of Corrodo's in Ontario, and recently, like, June, one intercooled, turbocharged Corrodo that I've seen at a local speed shop in Toronto (owned by a Ricer guy who also has an NSX) got spanked on the 427 South by me. They're nice though, just not as fast as the 931 with some performance mods.
The 924 is easy to hopp up. Just improve the flow at the head and you can get nice top end out of them. They're not rockets though. Great handlers.
I've driven them and they're really nice cars. The one I drove went like an SOB. They've got better wheel and suspension package, and a 944 engine, but I don't think they're easy to hopp up. And eventually you'll want to do so. In my view, once you go to the 944 engine, just bite the bullet and get a 944 Turbo.
I've got a 931 (i.e., 924 Turbo) and they're really nice cars. Finicky, temperamental, but yes, they can be decent daily drivers. Just don't drive like you're on the track every day and they'll hold up nicely. A 931, with an intercooler, will SMOKE a Corrodo. We've got lots of Corrodo's in Ontario, and recently, like, June, one intercooled, turbocharged Corrodo that I've seen at a local speed shop in Toronto (owned by a Ricer guy who also has an NSX) got spanked on the 427 South by me. They're nice though, just not as fast as the 931 with some performance mods.
The 924 is easy to hopp up. Just improve the flow at the head and you can get nice top end out of them. They're not rockets though. Great handlers.
08-26-2002, 12:42 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by BigPorscheGuy39:
A 931, with an intercooler, will SMOKE a Corrodo. We've got lots of Corrodo's in Ontario, and recently, like, June, one intercooled, turbocharged Corrodo that I've seen at a local speed shop in Toronto (owned by a Ricer guy who also has an NSX) got spanked on the 427 South by me. They're nice though, just not as fast as the 931 with some performance mods.
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That sounds pretty impressive- it also sounds like either you have a VERY impressive example of a 931 or the Corrado guy had a VERY weak example of a turbo charged Corrado- or BOTH! Not to contradict you though- it's just that some of these Corrados are turning over 300RWHP w/minor turbo mods and low boost- EIP has put out FAST one's- owner rich Chavachi has a turbo AWD VR6 GTi that has run low 9's or high 8's at the 1/4- There are NO 931's or 951's that will get anywhere near that that I'm aware of- anyway, that may not be the best example, but there are many that have run low 12's- still faster than 99% of the fastest 951's out there- another problem, I have to admit, is the hype surrounding them- normal typical advertising stuff- you know- "make your such and such a rocket for less than $5K- here's a dyno of our everyday driver that never needs ANY work- blah, blah, blah..." EIP has done a lot of that- Same can be said of the Porsche world though- both 931s and 951s have been overrated by the quick buck artists out there...
A 931, with an intercooler, will SMOKE a Corrodo. We've got lots of Corrodo's in Ontario, and recently, like, June, one intercooled, turbocharged Corrodo that I've seen at a local speed shop in Toronto (owned by a Ricer guy who also has an NSX) got spanked on the 427 South by me. They're nice though, just not as fast as the 931 with some performance mods.
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That sounds pretty impressive- it also sounds like either you have a VERY impressive example of a 931 or the Corrado guy had a VERY weak example of a turbo charged Corrado- or BOTH! Not to contradict you though- it's just that some of these Corrados are turning over 300RWHP w/minor turbo mods and low boost- EIP has put out FAST one's- owner rich Chavachi has a turbo AWD VR6 GTi that has run low 9's or high 8's at the 1/4- There are NO 931's or 951's that will get anywhere near that that I'm aware of- anyway, that may not be the best example, but there are many that have run low 12's- still faster than 99% of the fastest 951's out there- another problem, I have to admit, is the hype surrounding them- normal typical advertising stuff- you know- "make your such and such a rocket for less than $5K- here's a dyno of our everyday driver that never needs ANY work- blah, blah, blah..." EIP has done a lot of that- Same can be said of the Porsche world though- both 931s and 951s have been overrated by the quick buck artists out there...
08-26-2002, 12:58 PM
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Hummmmm, it sounds as if the 924 wouldn't be a bad car to own, though most of you seem to think that I should get something a little stronger, ie- 931/951. I might be able to swing a 931 but there is no way I can come up with 7k (I am under the impression that this is around what a 951 goes for) for like 3-4 years. If I sold the Corrado, I could definitely swing it, however, I'd be a fool to trade a extremely reliable car for something with questionable reliability and expensive maintenance costs. Don't get me wrong, the 951's are totally awsome cars that are amazingly fast, but I just can't swing the initial cost and maintenance. I think what it comes down to is going to actually see a 924 and driving one, something I have never actually done. That will perhaps be the biggest deciding factors.
As far as a 931 being quicker than a turbo corrado, I find it hard to believe as well. Most turbo kits will put out 230 whp, as a starting point, on the VR6. I've seen people doing mid-high 13's with that. I can't imagine an intercooler is going to add that much hp over the stock 931, though, I could be and probably am wrong. Also if the 931 was heavily modified, who knows. I wouldn't base your opinion on one experience though.
Here's another question. How would a 924 compare to a scirocco 16v. Both seem to be pretty similar, with the slight advantage appearing to be with the 16v, only because it would be newer. However, hp ratings are about the same. I realize I may not get the most unbiased answer, but I would like to hear what you guys think. I have already heard from a few 'rocco owners, who are definitely partial to their cars however.
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As far as a 931 being quicker than a turbo corrado, I find it hard to believe as well. Most turbo kits will put out 230 whp, as a starting point, on the VR6. I've seen people doing mid-high 13's with that. I can't imagine an intercooler is going to add that much hp over the stock 931, though, I could be and probably am wrong. Also if the 931 was heavily modified, who knows. I wouldn't base your opinion on one experience though.
Here's another question. How would a 924 compare to a scirocco 16v. Both seem to be pretty similar, with the slight advantage appearing to be with the 16v, only because it would be newer. However, hp ratings are about the same. I realize I may not get the most unbiased answer, but I would like to hear what you guys think. I have already heard from a few 'rocco owners, who are definitely partial to their cars however.
Thanks
08-26-2002, 02:41 PM
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Funny you should ask- I have a 1987 R&T test annual that has tests for the 924S, 944, 951, and Scirocco 16V- these were '86/'87 cars- the 924S ran >$21K- weighed 2910 (the 944 wegihed 3060- one reason for the 924S being SLIGHTLY stronger)- it had 147HP & 140TQ (well, BOTH did)- 1/4 mile was 15.8 @ 86 vs 944- 16.1 @ 84.5- 0-100 was 25.0 vs 26.0- top speed was 132 for the 924S- not shown for 944- top gear was shorter for the 924S too- other's were the exact same, so 132 was at 5950rpm- it stopped from 60 in 145ft & 80 in 245ft- the 944 was the same except from 80 was in 256ft. LA and slalom of 924S was .80 & 62mph while the 944 was .86 & 62.5
The Scirocco was $13.9K and weighed 2530lbs w/123HP & 120TQ (I'm sure you know that) and it ran the 1/4 in 16.1 @ 86- it's important to note that the Scirocco beat the 924S to 60 however (BARELY) at 7.7 vs 7.8- anyway, it ran to 100 in 25.0 seconds, so was dead even again, while falling a hair short to a top end of ~125. It stopped from 60 in 150ft and from 80 in 257ft. Skidpad/Slalom- .80 & 62.6. Interestingly enough, the 924S was the quietest- owing, I'm sure to it's .32Cx (not that great, but pretty good for back then) while the Scirocco was .38- the 16V
GTi BTW was .36, while the 944 was .35 & 951 was .33. The 951 was >$30K, weighed 3145lbs, ran the 1/4 in 14.6 @ 97.5, stopped from 60/80 in 143/255ft and LA/Slalom was .90/62.8.
IMO, b/t the Scirocco and 924S, it would depend completely on particular car, as well as your own budget for maintenance and ability to work on the car- if you don't want the hassles, the Scirocco would definately be cheaper/eassier to work on, but, they can be hard to find in good condition- of course, the 924S is the same way- hard to find a nce example for one, and if you do, it is moree likely to ask a much higher entry fee. If you want a cool auto-xer, get the Scirocco and add a quiafe w/a few other mods- I would also add a taller FD or something to offset that horribly short gearing- I HATE short gearing <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> It's a FU**ING cover up for lack of low end grunt- a tactic used by the damn rice rockets out there- very annoying- that's why i hate the 968 gearing and, to a lesser extent the 951- It's too short in 5th, but the rest are acceptable for it's available power- unless, you want it for a specific style of racing- I'm speaking in terms of mostly street cars... BTW- the Scirocco would respond better to mods I believe, and being lighter, would be a more flickable fun car for everday use- the 924S is cool though- i'd almost have to flip a coin on that one- I haven't owned either though, and consider myself pretty unbiased on these two...
The Scirocco was $13.9K and weighed 2530lbs w/123HP & 120TQ (I'm sure you know that) and it ran the 1/4 in 16.1 @ 86- it's important to note that the Scirocco beat the 924S to 60 however (BARELY) at 7.7 vs 7.8- anyway, it ran to 100 in 25.0 seconds, so was dead even again, while falling a hair short to a top end of ~125. It stopped from 60 in 150ft and from 80 in 257ft. Skidpad/Slalom- .80 & 62.6. Interestingly enough, the 924S was the quietest- owing, I'm sure to it's .32Cx (not that great, but pretty good for back then) while the Scirocco was .38- the 16V
GTi BTW was .36, while the 944 was .35 & 951 was .33. The 951 was >$30K, weighed 3145lbs, ran the 1/4 in 14.6 @ 97.5, stopped from 60/80 in 143/255ft and LA/Slalom was .90/62.8.
IMO, b/t the Scirocco and 924S, it would depend completely on particular car, as well as your own budget for maintenance and ability to work on the car- if you don't want the hassles, the Scirocco would definately be cheaper/eassier to work on, but, they can be hard to find in good condition- of course, the 924S is the same way- hard to find a nce example for one, and if you do, it is moree likely to ask a much higher entry fee. If you want a cool auto-xer, get the Scirocco and add a quiafe w/a few other mods- I would also add a taller FD or something to offset that horribly short gearing- I HATE short gearing <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> It's a FU**ING cover up for lack of low end grunt- a tactic used by the damn rice rockets out there- very annoying- that's why i hate the 968 gearing and, to a lesser extent the 951- It's too short in 5th, but the rest are acceptable for it's available power- unless, you want it for a specific style of racing- I'm speaking in terms of mostly street cars... BTW- the Scirocco would respond better to mods I believe, and being lighter, would be a more flickable fun car for everday use- the 924S is cool though- i'd almost have to flip a coin on that one- I haven't owned either though, and consider myself pretty unbiased on these two...
08-26-2002, 03:27 PM
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Sounds like the 'rocco might be the better car. Performance is similar, but maintenance may be a bit cheaper for the VW. I'm done with the 924 yet though. I guess it is pretty accurate to say that my experience will vary based on the condition of the car (ie- a nice 924/S will be a better car than a crappy 16v and vice versa).