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02-14-2003, 12:02 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by SoCal Driver:
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If you are looking for a "less expensive" way of replacing the wiring you can just buy about 11 feet of wire and 12 of the Beru/Bosch ends and make your own. Actually it's 10 of the ends but I just know you will need a couple to practise on.
There is a slight trick on putting the threaded ends on but I can give you some hints on that.
Check with your local speed shops and see if the do business with Kingsborne. Most do.
You don't need anything fancy. Just the same 7mm od stock wire. Kingsborne does have it in some great colors.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I just got off the phone with Kingborne, HOLY cow they are expensive.
To make your own wires, here's what you'd need.
4 spark plug ends (Beru) ZLE-263 = $25.37 x 4
5 Distributor VSO-103 = $8.93 x 5
1 coil VSO-105 = $8.19 x 1
10 M3 threads = $.78 x 10
12 feet 8 mm wire WSP-1308 ~= $2.50/foot x 12
Total is around $180
They'll sell you an already made set for $133.52.
Why on earth would the already made set be cheaper??
-Matt
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If you are looking for a "less expensive" way of replacing the wiring you can just buy about 11 feet of wire and 12 of the Beru/Bosch ends and make your own. Actually it's 10 of the ends but I just know you will need a couple to practise on.
There is a slight trick on putting the threaded ends on but I can give you some hints on that.
Check with your local speed shops and see if the do business with Kingsborne. Most do.
You don't need anything fancy. Just the same 7mm od stock wire. Kingsborne does have it in some great colors.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I just got off the phone with Kingborne, HOLY cow they are expensive.
To make your own wires, here's what you'd need.
4 spark plug ends (Beru) ZLE-263 = $25.37 x 4
5 Distributor VSO-103 = $8.93 x 5
1 coil VSO-105 = $8.19 x 1
10 M3 threads = $.78 x 10
12 feet 8 mm wire WSP-1308 ~= $2.50/foot x 12
Total is around $180
They'll sell you an already made set for $133.52.
Why on earth would the already made set be cheaper??
-Matt
02-14-2003, 12:12 PM
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The Magnacore DO have flexible rubber boots to cover the spark plug holes.
I find they fit nice and snug on my S....and only $99 from Windward. Look good in Red also.
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I find they fit nice and snug on my S....and only $99 from Windward. Look good in Red also.
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02-14-2003, 02:06 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Matt Olde:
<strong>Why on earth would the already made set be cheaper?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">It's true in many markets, the kits are usually less expensive than the parts - try building a car from parts.
I suffer from this dilemma as an amateur carpenter building my own furniture, etc. I usually pay 25% more than if purchased from a store... but, it's the way I want it - usually <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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<strong>Why on earth would the already made set be cheaper?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">It's true in many markets, the kits are usually less expensive than the parts - try building a car from parts.
I suffer from this dilemma as an amateur carpenter building my own furniture, etc. I usually pay 25% more than if purchased from a store... but, it's the way I want it - usually <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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02-14-2003, 02:38 PM
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Actually 944 Fever, thats 6 worthless posts - Post ***** -
I got the Nology HOtwires - cost too much and didn't notice a difference - fits like stock though!
I got the Nology HOtwires - cost too much and didn't notice a difference - fits like stock though!
02-14-2003, 03:25 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Matt Olde:
I just got off the phone with Kingborne, HOLY cow they are expensive.
To make your own wires, here's what you'd need.
Total is around $180
[snip]
They'll sell you an already made set for $133.52.
Why on earth would the already made set be cheaper??
-Matt</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Matt,
When you have separate packaging the handling costs go up. When you set up shop and make sets in bulk you can buy in bulk and thus remove costs.
As I stated in my prior post you don't need to replace the ends unless they are dead. This can be checked with a cheap ohm/volt meter. In the last 19 years I've replace two spark plug ends. One because I broke it not because the resistor element had failed. Note: It's the spark plug resistor ends that usually go bad. But not as often as the wire insulation.
What would you pay for a set of wires that you could use to replace just the wires in the stock set? $60?
If anyone is interested I'll set up an e-mail drop for your remarks.
I just got off the phone with Kingborne, HOLY cow they are expensive.
To make your own wires, here's what you'd need.
Total is around $180
[snip]
They'll sell you an already made set for $133.52.
Why on earth would the already made set be cheaper??
-Matt</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Matt,
When you have separate packaging the handling costs go up. When you set up shop and make sets in bulk you can buy in bulk and thus remove costs.
As I stated in my prior post you don't need to replace the ends unless they are dead. This can be checked with a cheap ohm/volt meter. In the last 19 years I've replace two spark plug ends. One because I broke it not because the resistor element had failed. Note: It's the spark plug resistor ends that usually go bad. But not as often as the wire insulation.
What would you pay for a set of wires that you could use to replace just the wires in the stock set? $60?
If anyone is interested I'll set up an e-mail drop for your remarks.
02-14-2003, 05:05 PM
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Please view my comment as constructive:
- the replacement of the entire wire and ends is necessary to sincerely upgrade/overhaul the system. The ends suffer from duty/use just as much as the wires because they are dynamic (resistive ends). Non-resistive/non-dynamic ends (found in most domestic cars) can easily be reused with wire replacement only.
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- the replacement of the entire wire and ends is necessary to sincerely upgrade/overhaul the system. The ends suffer from duty/use just as much as the wires because they are dynamic (resistive ends). Non-resistive/non-dynamic ends (found in most domestic cars) can easily be reused with wire replacement only.
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02-15-2003, 03:31 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Skip:
<strong>Please view my comment as constructive:
- the replacement of the entire wire and ends is necessary to sincerely upgrade/overhaul the system. The ends suffer from duty/use just as much as the wires because they are dynamic (resistive ends). Non-resistive/non-dynamic ends (found in most domestic cars) can easily be reused with wire replacement only.
Skip</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Never said the spark plug connector didn't require replacement. These can be checked with a simple ohm meter and replaced as necessary.
While there are directives as to periodic maintenance and replacement you will find these lasting considerably longer than the wires themselves. The most notable indicator of one of these ends breaking down is ignition noise on your AM radio.
Still you can replace just the wires and cure the midnight light show under the hood. Not a bad idea for one third the price of a "full" set.
In addition I've found over the 19 years I've had my 944 that it's the ends of the cables corroding inside the connector that have been the source of most of my ignition problems.
<strong>Please view my comment as constructive:
- the replacement of the entire wire and ends is necessary to sincerely upgrade/overhaul the system. The ends suffer from duty/use just as much as the wires because they are dynamic (resistive ends). Non-resistive/non-dynamic ends (found in most domestic cars) can easily be reused with wire replacement only.
Skip</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Never said the spark plug connector didn't require replacement. These can be checked with a simple ohm meter and replaced as necessary.
While there are directives as to periodic maintenance and replacement you will find these lasting considerably longer than the wires themselves. The most notable indicator of one of these ends breaking down is ignition noise on your AM radio.
Still you can replace just the wires and cure the midnight light show under the hood. Not a bad idea for one third the price of a "full" set.
In addition I've found over the 19 years I've had my 944 that it's the ends of the cables corroding inside the connector that have been the source of most of my ignition problems.
