How do you guys justify Porsche expenses to the wife?
06-19-2002, 10:50 PM
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Ah,,the "boost control saga". My wife is pretty good about things with the car. The only NO-NO is no boost, not even a hint of it while the three yr old is in the backseat in his 5 pt harness. Other than that she is ok. I get quarterly bonuses and sometimes we get bonuses from the wells we drill for Shell..all of that money is PORSCHE money; and I throw a bit in her Paypal fund for good measure. I bitch about nothing in the clothing department for her or the baby! I do keep that honey do list short!
I fully agree about getting them and teaching them to drive the car. She loves to drive it on long twisty roads at safe speeds of course. She now likes for me to take it to somewhat of the edge; she smiles a bit - almost a carnival ride.
I fully agree about getting them and teaching them to drive the car. She loves to drive it on long twisty roads at safe speeds of course. She now likes for me to take it to somewhat of the edge; she smiles a bit - almost a carnival ride.
06-20-2002, 01:10 AM
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I don't know too much 'bout marriage considering I'm still 19...and single. But, hey at least there's no girlfriend crawling on my back about free time...as much as I'd want one to 
In my house my dad and I both get chewed out about expenses on the 928 and the 944. yeesh
Just be like, I'm not getting any from you so if i put money in the car I'll get it better! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
did I mention i was just kidding?
In my house my dad and I both get chewed out about expenses on the 928 and the 944. yeesh
Just be like, I'm not getting any from you so if i put money in the car I'll get it better! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> did I mention i was just kidding?
06-20-2002, 01:58 AM
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this is the best thread in a long time! awesome to hear what all you guys think about re: your relationships... personally i always get into trouble with my wife, no matter what, especially when it comes to the p-car.. she says, "p'tain denis! c'est bon maintenant! c'est tout! assez d'argent!" then i say, "it's *our* car my petite foufienez"!
ah, french women..
ah, french women..
06-20-2002, 03:05 AM
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A lot of the mentioned above:
1) "I have to rebuild, its a safty problem, and the car will never break again!!!"
2) Seperate credit card, seperate billing address.
3) When she asks what you need to buy, tell her what you NEED, not all of the extra performance stuff that comes along with it.
4) The nice boxes that everything comes in can be used to send stuff back to the states.
I've got her convinced so far, but I'm getting awfully close to a trip to Paris though....
1) "I have to rebuild, its a safty problem, and the car will never break again!!!"
2) Seperate credit card, seperate billing address.
3) When she asks what you need to buy, tell her what you NEED, not all of the extra performance stuff that comes along with it.
4) The nice boxes that everything comes in can be used to send stuff back to the states.
I've got her convinced so far, but I'm getting awfully close to a trip to Paris though....
06-20-2002, 03:34 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by ecpunk:
<strong>2) Seperate credit card, seperate billing address...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Followed closely by separate room, separate twin bed, separate mac-and-cheese for dinner...
Skip
<strong>2) Seperate credit card, seperate billing address...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Followed closely by separate room, separate twin bed, separate mac-and-cheese for dinner...
Skip
06-20-2002, 06:13 AM
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"How do you guys justify Porsche expenses to the wife? "
"Step 1) never question anything she buys !
Step 2) does she really need to know every dollar you spend."
"Don't tell her..."
Gee golly, you don't have to be so secretive and conniving? Keep things in the open and state your goals up front. In fact, overstate them to start a strong negotiating position. Then work towards a win-win solution for everyone.
For example, there's always a lot of things that may be of value to your woman that doesn't take much effort on your part. Cute little notes tucked in hidden places around the house for her to find. Yummy chocolate treats nicely wrapped up as surprises in the fridge. Send her mom a thank-you note on her birthday, etc. A night out on the town in a limo tour, romantic candlelight dinner on the beach at sunset, drinks out at her favorite club with some sensual/sexual/dirty salsa/tango dancing will reap bonus brownie points. Maybe your kitchen cabinets needs new paneling, or the garden needs to be roto-tilled, etc. In return, you get what you want.
Negotiations are always best when you have the most variety to offer on both sides. If you end up narrowing it down to just one factor, like money, then things can get stuck easily. Even then, an even trade often will be fair to both parties. I get to spend just as much money on my car as my girl spends on shopping for clothes and jewelry. Why, with that deal, I can practically buy anything I want!
"Step 1) never question anything she buys !
Step 2) does she really need to know every dollar you spend."
"Don't tell her..."
Gee golly, you don't have to be so secretive and conniving? Keep things in the open and state your goals up front. In fact, overstate them to start a strong negotiating position. Then work towards a win-win solution for everyone.
For example, there's always a lot of things that may be of value to your woman that doesn't take much effort on your part. Cute little notes tucked in hidden places around the house for her to find. Yummy chocolate treats nicely wrapped up as surprises in the fridge. Send her mom a thank-you note on her birthday, etc. A night out on the town in a limo tour, romantic candlelight dinner on the beach at sunset, drinks out at her favorite club with some sensual/sexual/dirty salsa/tango dancing will reap bonus brownie points. Maybe your kitchen cabinets needs new paneling, or the garden needs to be roto-tilled, etc. In return, you get what you want.
Negotiations are always best when you have the most variety to offer on both sides. If you end up narrowing it down to just one factor, like money, then things can get stuck easily. Even then, an even trade often will be fair to both parties. I get to spend just as much money on my car as my girl spends on shopping for clothes and jewelry. Why, with that deal, I can practically buy anything I want!
06-20-2002, 07:25 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Danno:
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"Don't tell her..."
Gee golly, you don't have to be so secretive and conniving?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was just kidding. My wife and I talk about everything before we buy something. We are really good about money since we went so long on my little crappy Air Force income while she was in College full time.
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"Don't tell her..."
Gee golly, you don't have to be so secretive and conniving?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was just kidding. My wife and I talk about everything before we buy something. We are really good about money since we went so long on my little crappy Air Force income while she was in College full time.
06-20-2002, 07:25 AM
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That Skip, he's a funny guy. Man oh man, if they bring back the star system, skip's going down!!!
He used to be so pleasant... what is the world coming to.
Hey, I'm not married yet, not until this saturday!!! I have to buy all my parts plus extra before then.
He used to be so pleasant... what is the world coming to.
Hey, I'm not married yet, not until this saturday!!! I have to buy all my parts plus extra before then.
06-20-2002, 07:43 AM
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Great thread!
I do what most seem to do here - I hide most of the costs and the parts prior to installation. And once installed, they are not visible (particularly to a non-mechanical wife). At the moment, I have all sorts of goodies stored with my tools in the basement including a Lindsey MAF (completely unpacked and separated to avoid suspicion, gauges, meters, engine mounts etc).
In fact, my biggest problem hasn't been specifically mentioned in this thread yet - TIME!
With the two of us working full time, an 8 and 2 year old who want to play when we are at home, activities to take them to etc. etc., I just DON'T get time to do the stuff I want to do with the car. I've bought the bolt-on's but am just waiting for "The Perfect Day" (weekend) ! I used up most brownie points about 6 weeks ago doing a brake job which I said would take 2-3 hours but in fact took 8 or 9 due to various "issues" along the way but am getting ready to find another day in the near future.
I wish my wife *would* spend money on herself; then I could use some of your arguments (in the thread above).
I do what most seem to do here - I hide most of the costs and the parts prior to installation. And once installed, they are not visible (particularly to a non-mechanical wife). At the moment, I have all sorts of goodies stored with my tools in the basement including a Lindsey MAF (completely unpacked and separated to avoid suspicion, gauges, meters, engine mounts etc).
In fact, my biggest problem hasn't been specifically mentioned in this thread yet - TIME!
With the two of us working full time, an 8 and 2 year old who want to play when we are at home, activities to take them to etc. etc., I just DON'T get time to do the stuff I want to do with the car. I've bought the bolt-on's but am just waiting for "The Perfect Day" (weekend) ! I used up most brownie points about 6 weeks ago doing a brake job which I said would take 2-3 hours but in fact took 8 or 9 due to various "issues" along the way but am getting ready to find another day in the near future.
I wish my wife *would* spend money on herself; then I could use some of your arguments (in the thread above).
06-20-2002, 08:29 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by ecpunk:
<strong>Hey, I'm not married yet, not until this saturday!!! I have to buy all my parts plus extra before then. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Couldn't you just put them on your wedding gift list?
<strong>Hey, I'm not married yet, not until this saturday!!! I have to buy all my parts plus extra before then.
</strong><hr></blockquote>Couldn't you just put them on your wedding gift list?
06-20-2002, 10:12 AM
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Today is Kim's birthday. I got her a beautiful doll house from Franklin Mint. Cost a fortune.
Took me 1/2 a year of planning, saving, and dreaming to pull this one off.
She loves it! The sight of her hugging the doll house like a little girl, grinning ear to ear, makes me forget about whatever that car is I have in my garage.
-Zoltan.
Took me 1/2 a year of planning, saving, and dreaming to pull this one off.
She loves it! The sight of her hugging the doll house like a little girl, grinning ear to ear, makes me forget about whatever that car is I have in my garage.
-Zoltan.
06-20-2002, 10:56 AM
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To Gary's point above... I have engaged the kids in car maintenance and prep in order to spend more time and teach them skills.
Son (11) can powerbleed the brakes and clutch with little supervision.
Daughter (6) can help Dad do the above and change oil. Sure, she wanders off to pick flowers just when you need that wrench that's just out of reach, but it is the time together that they want.
Now, Skip's idea for justifying a mobile home, trailer, dedicated track car, frequent family vacations aligned with Club Races... I like your thinking Skip.
Keep the shiny side up,
Son (11) can powerbleed the brakes and clutch with little supervision.
Daughter (6) can help Dad do the above and change oil. Sure, she wanders off to pick flowers just when you need that wrench that's just out of reach, but it is the time together that they want.
Now, Skip's idea for justifying a mobile home, trailer, dedicated track car, frequent family vacations aligned with Club Races... I like your thinking Skip.
Keep the shiny side up,
06-20-2002, 11:34 AM
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I'm single and therefore just have to justify my expenses to myself. But my girlfriend has her opinions too!
The way I look at these things comes down to VALUE of the ASSET. When you purchase an item, the money is not necessarily gone; not if you can resell the item.
A house is an appreciating asset. Get a nice house; it will only rise in value (barring a drastic downturn in the local economy).
Clothes and shoes are rapidly depreciating assets. Their value drops dramatically as soon as they are worn once! I'd say that after being worn a couple of times, the value of clothes & shoes drops more than 90%. You (or your wife or girlfriend) can kiss that money GOODBYE. It's gone forever. Clothes/shoes are therefore amongst the most expensive items you can buy!
Cars, steering wheels, mats, superchargers, wheels, etc. are in most cases depreciating assets. But they do not lose their value as dramatically as clothes/shoes, especially if the car (in the case of a 944) has already taken a full depreciation hit! I think a 924/944/968 is an excellent choice of car from a financial point of view because it probably will not suffer much more depreciation; and if you keep it a long time, who knows? Maybe someday the market values of these cars will actually INCREASE (this has been true for the 951 in recent years). Most people lose more money on their brand new fat a$$ SUV's in 2 years than we will EVER spend on our cars!
One look at eBay reveals that even 944 upgrades (steering wheels, seats, superchargers, Saratoga Tops, etc.) can be resold and reap pretty good returns. Just TRY not to go crazy with it...
The way I look at these things comes down to VALUE of the ASSET. When you purchase an item, the money is not necessarily gone; not if you can resell the item.
A house is an appreciating asset. Get a nice house; it will only rise in value (barring a drastic downturn in the local economy).
Clothes and shoes are rapidly depreciating assets. Their value drops dramatically as soon as they are worn once! I'd say that after being worn a couple of times, the value of clothes & shoes drops more than 90%. You (or your wife or girlfriend) can kiss that money GOODBYE. It's gone forever. Clothes/shoes are therefore amongst the most expensive items you can buy!
Cars, steering wheels, mats, superchargers, wheels, etc. are in most cases depreciating assets. But they do not lose their value as dramatically as clothes/shoes, especially if the car (in the case of a 944) has already taken a full depreciation hit! I think a 924/944/968 is an excellent choice of car from a financial point of view because it probably will not suffer much more depreciation; and if you keep it a long time, who knows? Maybe someday the market values of these cars will actually INCREASE (this has been true for the 951 in recent years). Most people lose more money on their brand new fat a$$ SUV's in 2 years than we will EVER spend on our cars!
One look at eBay reveals that even 944 upgrades (steering wheels, seats, superchargers, Saratoga Tops, etc.) can be resold and reap pretty good returns. Just TRY not to go crazy with it...