How often do you street race?
07-03-2003, 03:28 PM
#62
Race Director
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Jeremy Himsel:
<strong>Z-man, after reading your posts, it appears that you are very, very emotional over this post? What's the real deep-rooted issue behind this? Is it really necessary to go on with the immature name calling? Pansies, wussies, idiots, scrawny little brains? Grow up man? If you’re really that serious about this issue get out from behind your computer, hit the streets and do something about it. Spend your weekends at the local street-racing scene preaching to the guys you see doing it. Something tells me that your name-calling won’t get you very far in that situation.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Jeremy: yes, I get my panties in a bunch when people start talking of the virtues of street racing. I am passionately against it! If someone tries to justify drug use, drunk driving, rape, murder...etc, you'll see my passion against those as well! That's just not posted here... Side note: the guy who posted about hitting 125mph on the highway this week drives in Europe, where most likely he was on a road that allowed those speed limits: that's why I didn't post anything there.
The really deep rooted issue I have behind this is that I don't want to see teens get hurt. As a youth group counselor at my church, I DO hit the streets, and try to influence the kids NOT to street race. Even being a spectator at street races is considered a criminal act, so I stay away. But when the guys are hanging out, I'm usually there to chat with them, and to 'show off' my car. Some of the guys in youth group have some nice machines, and others have some crazy dreams: either way, if I can show them that owning a nice car doesn't mean you have to street race, then hopefully I was part of saving someone from danger/harm/death/whatever.
I have stated this on this board and several other boards: I offered to pay the entrance fee for a 1/4 drag or autocross event to a street racer who hasn't raced legitamately. I've posted this offer SEVERAL times, and have yet to get someone to seriously take me up on this offer. So yes, I am doing more than just sitting behind my 'puter, but it seems that street racers aren't interested in racing in a legal venue.
As for the name calling: I've tried the 'nicer' approach many times: the results were as excepted: no response, or shut up old man. Sometimes a 'tough love' approach works better, so I figured I'd give that a try.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Jeremy again:
<strong>As far as I can see, Ryan asked a legitimate question. While I haven't read the rennlist rules and regulations in a few years, I'm not aware that he broke and rules and therefore banishment from the list shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Were you tricked into reading his post? Just because it's a topic you don't like you don't have to be insulting. If you don’t like it, don't read it! Stop being a victim.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">According to the Rennlist rules, you are not allowed to post things which are illegal. Street racing is illegal. End of story. Personally, I don't mind discussing street racing here (though I will discuss it with passion!) and I have never asked someone to be banned for posted that stuff here.
I hope that clarifies things for you,
-Zoltan.
<strong>Z-man, after reading your posts, it appears that you are very, very emotional over this post? What's the real deep-rooted issue behind this? Is it really necessary to go on with the immature name calling? Pansies, wussies, idiots, scrawny little brains? Grow up man? If you’re really that serious about this issue get out from behind your computer, hit the streets and do something about it. Spend your weekends at the local street-racing scene preaching to the guys you see doing it. Something tells me that your name-calling won’t get you very far in that situation.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Jeremy: yes, I get my panties in a bunch when people start talking of the virtues of street racing. I am passionately against it! If someone tries to justify drug use, drunk driving, rape, murder...etc, you'll see my passion against those as well! That's just not posted here... Side note: the guy who posted about hitting 125mph on the highway this week drives in Europe, where most likely he was on a road that allowed those speed limits: that's why I didn't post anything there.
The really deep rooted issue I have behind this is that I don't want to see teens get hurt. As a youth group counselor at my church, I DO hit the streets, and try to influence the kids NOT to street race. Even being a spectator at street races is considered a criminal act, so I stay away. But when the guys are hanging out, I'm usually there to chat with them, and to 'show off' my car. Some of the guys in youth group have some nice machines, and others have some crazy dreams: either way, if I can show them that owning a nice car doesn't mean you have to street race, then hopefully I was part of saving someone from danger/harm/death/whatever.
I have stated this on this board and several other boards: I offered to pay the entrance fee for a 1/4 drag or autocross event to a street racer who hasn't raced legitamately. I've posted this offer SEVERAL times, and have yet to get someone to seriously take me up on this offer. So yes, I am doing more than just sitting behind my 'puter, but it seems that street racers aren't interested in racing in a legal venue.
As for the name calling: I've tried the 'nicer' approach many times: the results were as excepted: no response, or shut up old man. Sometimes a 'tough love' approach works better, so I figured I'd give that a try.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Jeremy again:
<strong>As far as I can see, Ryan asked a legitimate question. While I haven't read the rennlist rules and regulations in a few years, I'm not aware that he broke and rules and therefore banishment from the list shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Were you tricked into reading his post? Just because it's a topic you don't like you don't have to be insulting. If you don’t like it, don't read it! Stop being a victim.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">According to the Rennlist rules, you are not allowed to post things which are illegal. Street racing is illegal. End of story. Personally, I don't mind discussing street racing here (though I will discuss it with passion!) and I have never asked someone to be banned for posted that stuff here.
I hope that clarifies things for you,
-Zoltan.
07-03-2003, 03:31 PM
#63
Racer
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: San Pedro, Calif.
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I really should leave this alone...
NOT!
Jeremy,
So you (and others) have the right (freedom) to post street racing stories (your opinions) but we don't have the right (freedom) to express our opinions against?
Where perry and I may have a (I hope) friendly debate about our disagreement over risk taking and endangering others we both seem to agree that if you don't like "these posts" don't read them.
I feel you are a little self righteous here, do YOU approve of arson? Well if you really feel this way are you going to become a fireman? I'm sure you don't condone robbery so I suppose you are training to be a policeman?
Did you ever stop to think maybe people feel so strongly about this because they had friends or family die as a result of street racing?
<img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" />
NOT!
Jeremy,
So you (and others) have the right (freedom) to post street racing stories (your opinions) but we don't have the right (freedom) to express our opinions against?
Where perry and I may have a (I hope) friendly debate about our disagreement over risk taking and endangering others we both seem to agree that if you don't like "these posts" don't read them.
I feel you are a little self righteous here, do YOU approve of arson? Well if you really feel this way are you going to become a fireman? I'm sure you don't condone robbery so I suppose you are training to be a policeman?
Did you ever stop to think maybe people feel so strongly about this because they had friends or family die as a result of street racing?
<img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" />
07-03-2003, 03:34 PM
#64
Race Director
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 91S2:
<strong>P944
If I did I would set some weight loss records....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Especially when the 7/50 program starts! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
<strong>P944
If I did I would set some weight loss records....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Especially when the 7/50 program starts! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
07-03-2003, 03:35 PM
#65
Burning Brakes
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Although cell-phones and other distractions to the driver are very dangerous, I feel that they are not as dangerous as street racing. I'm pretty sure that cell phones cause more accidents than street racing, but that doesn't mean that there is a higher percentage of cell phone related accidents than street racing related accidents. Also, a street racer losing control of their car at speeds in excess of 100 mph will be more destructive than a driver having a fender bender while talking on the cell-phone. As far as exceeding the speed limit five to ten miles, I do not know of anyone who can truthfully say that going 60 in a 55 mile zone is just as dangerous as going 120 in a rural country road surrounded by livestock and unknown road hazards ahead. If you listen to the commercials created by the insurance companies, they say that the probability of a fatal accident increases exponentially with the speed. Back in January one of my classmates was killed when he made a left turn into the path of oncoming street racers. A week after the accident, the street racer got released from jail after making bail and hung himself. Obviously this street racer's view on street racing changed as he sat in his jail cell contemplating suicide.
07-03-2003, 05:18 PM
#69
Rennlist Member
We are all speed freaks otherwise we'd be all driving econoboxes or buicks, but surely there is a difference between enjoying the challenge of balancing a fine autombile thru a series of dips, dives and curves and competing with a "someone" in an impromtu competition on public roads. The race track is closed course, everyone going the same way, (most of the time)same type of equipment and skills. On the public roads we encounter gramma and grandad, young Mary who just got her licence. Buddy the dog who just escaped from the yard. I could go on and on. It is so obvious. We are not doing anyone a favour when we accept the challenge to "go. Your opposition may not be capable and you may be contributing to a tragedy.
07-03-2003, 05:20 PM
#70
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ - NJ Runaway
Posts: 3,649
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
First, let me clarifying something, I have not and do not advocate "street racing" and am not trying to be self-righteous here. The flip side of that is I'm no angel (and very few of us on this board are) and have done things behind the wheel of a car that can be interpreted as "irresponsible and illegal". If all of us we're kicked off for it, these boards would pretty empty. It really bugs me to see you guys beat up on a guy or two because he uses the word "street race" while "spirited" goes untouched. What’s the difference? To me they both are examples of aggressive driving and if you beat up on one you should beat up on another. Personally, I don't feel I have the right to judge people who street race (and what we're really talking about is rapid acceleration which continues beyond the speed limit) when I've done 0-60 runs, boost pulls, boxter tormenting, etc. It's that simple. Again, this is my own distorted opinion based upon my own value and integrity system.
To be quite honest with you I would be concerned if someone didn't step up and say "hey it's probably not the smartest thing in the world to be doing". When people say driving over the speed limits is not "as dangerous" as street racing we're really talking about semantics and surely doesn't qualify name-calling. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm glad that there are people out there with yours but what is it exactly? Are you anti street race, anti fast driving, anti aggressive driving? To be honest with you I don't see much of difference but if your opinion is any of those I think you should check out the 944-fest post and begin preaching to those guys because I'm sure there is bound to be some "spirited" driving during that event. Be proactive.
Arson, robbery? Come on here, be realistic. I'm not out on some web board degrading people with unnecessary name calling over an issue. If it was that important to me I would be doing something about it. While it burns my *** when a Civic with a coffee can performs a fly by on my house at mach two, I'll do a couple of hard boost pulls late at night on a freeway or a participate in 944/51 drives. Doesn't that seem a little off to you? It does to me that's why I think it's inappropriate to fly off the handle on Ryan. He didn't even state that he did it, but if he does hopefully he'll grow out of it. Maybe you're perfect behind the wheel but I'm not and won't kick Ryan in the teeth or try and banish him because I don't agree with what he's doing or because I've internally justified my random acts of irresponsibility and stupidity.
Ryan - The best advice I can give you is please don't mention the words street race on this board. You'll never live it down. If street racing is your thing, give a DE a solid shot. It always cures my urge to over extend it on the street.
Z-man - I respect your efforts but let's keep it at an adult level. Hopefully your message and my own gets through to my kids someday. Remember, it's not only kids that street race. I guess I kind of take some of your post it as it's okay for adults on their daily commute to be irresponsible but not teenagers. It's pretty hard interpret intent through the written word.
Have a good (and safe) holiday.
To be quite honest with you I would be concerned if someone didn't step up and say "hey it's probably not the smartest thing in the world to be doing". When people say driving over the speed limits is not "as dangerous" as street racing we're really talking about semantics and surely doesn't qualify name-calling. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm glad that there are people out there with yours but what is it exactly? Are you anti street race, anti fast driving, anti aggressive driving? To be honest with you I don't see much of difference but if your opinion is any of those I think you should check out the 944-fest post and begin preaching to those guys because I'm sure there is bound to be some "spirited" driving during that event. Be proactive.
Arson, robbery? Come on here, be realistic. I'm not out on some web board degrading people with unnecessary name calling over an issue. If it was that important to me I would be doing something about it. While it burns my *** when a Civic with a coffee can performs a fly by on my house at mach two, I'll do a couple of hard boost pulls late at night on a freeway or a participate in 944/51 drives. Doesn't that seem a little off to you? It does to me that's why I think it's inappropriate to fly off the handle on Ryan. He didn't even state that he did it, but if he does hopefully he'll grow out of it. Maybe you're perfect behind the wheel but I'm not and won't kick Ryan in the teeth or try and banish him because I don't agree with what he's doing or because I've internally justified my random acts of irresponsibility and stupidity.
Ryan - The best advice I can give you is please don't mention the words street race on this board. You'll never live it down. If street racing is your thing, give a DE a solid shot. It always cures my urge to over extend it on the street.
Z-man - I respect your efforts but let's keep it at an adult level. Hopefully your message and my own gets through to my kids someday. Remember, it's not only kids that street race. I guess I kind of take some of your post it as it's okay for adults on their daily commute to be irresponsible but not teenagers. It's pretty hard interpret intent through the written word.
Have a good (and safe) holiday.
07-03-2003, 07:06 PM
#71
Racer
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: San Pedro, Calif.
Posts: 480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Jeremy Himsel:
<strong> It's pretty hard interpret intent through the written word.
Have a good (and safe) holiday.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That's a big ten four good buddy...
Please note that z-man (and I) never said anything about banning anybody, that was posted by other Rennlist members.
And let me repeat myself it is contradictory to say that the street racing folks have a right to post their beliefs but the anti street racing folks have no right(s) to post our opinions.
I was using the arson and robbery analogy as a exaggeration to make a point that I felt you were over doing it a little.
<strong> It's pretty hard interpret intent through the written word.
Have a good (and safe) holiday.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That's a big ten four good buddy...
Please note that z-man (and I) never said anything about banning anybody, that was posted by other Rennlist members.
And let me repeat myself it is contradictory to say that the street racing folks have a right to post their beliefs but the anti street racing folks have no right(s) to post our opinions.
I was using the arson and robbery analogy as a exaggeration to make a point that I felt you were over doing it a little.
07-07-2003, 11:23 AM
#72
Race Director
Postcript:
I got home last night from Pocono Raceway after a three day driver's ed event with NNJR - PCA.
It was a trilling three days. I was able to push my car further than I had ever! I'm starting to get used to the R-compound tires on the track, and I'm working them quite nicely!
While many of the cars in my run group (White - Intermediate) had no problem passing me, those drivers have more experience as well as more power, suspension...etc. Not a problem: we're not there to race, just to have a fun time! Once in a while, there was a 'faster' car that I was able to get around, like that 2000 911 GTC3. (As in GT3 - Cup Car.)
I hit close to 130 on the straights.
I was entering the bowl at about 90 (most people in my run group were going in at 100 - 110: I'm just a chicken! )
My favorite sections, the infield, were a blast: full of tight turns, some off-camber was challenging and fun. I've improved my apex / track out abilities.
I did take the run-offs a couple of times (Going three-wide into the north infield turn 1 isn't a good idea!)
It is amazing how much a basically stock Porsche can do when it is in it's 'natural environment.' I would go hot into a corner, and my car would just hunker down and turn! Go in too hot, and a little throttle steering would help get me pointed in the right direction.
The sight of the track ahead of me, the feel of the car rotating around a corner, the smell of the brake pads under hard decelleration, the sounds of the exhaust & motor: this is what thrills me about my Porsche!
After getting through some initial congestion, the ride home was very nice: cruising home at 70 (in a 65 zone), we made it home by nightfall.
Who needs to drive like a maniac on streets when you can drive like that on the track!?!?!
-Z.
Next event: The Glen in August. Can't wait!
I got home last night from Pocono Raceway after a three day driver's ed event with NNJR - PCA.
It was a trilling three days. I was able to push my car further than I had ever! I'm starting to get used to the R-compound tires on the track, and I'm working them quite nicely!
While many of the cars in my run group (White - Intermediate) had no problem passing me, those drivers have more experience as well as more power, suspension...etc. Not a problem: we're not there to race, just to have a fun time! Once in a while, there was a 'faster' car that I was able to get around, like that 2000 911 GTC3. (As in GT3 - Cup Car.)
I hit close to 130 on the straights.
I was entering the bowl at about 90 (most people in my run group were going in at 100 - 110: I'm just a chicken!
) My favorite sections, the infield, were a blast: full of tight turns, some off-camber was challenging and fun. I've improved my apex / track out abilities.
I did take the run-offs a couple of times (Going three-wide into the north infield turn 1 isn't a good idea!)
It is amazing how much a basically stock Porsche can do when it is in it's 'natural environment.' I would go hot into a corner, and my car would just hunker down and turn! Go in too hot, and a little throttle steering would help get me pointed in the right direction.
The sight of the track ahead of me, the feel of the car rotating around a corner, the smell of the brake pads under hard decelleration, the sounds of the exhaust & motor: this is what thrills me about my Porsche!
After getting through some initial congestion, the ride home was very nice: cruising home at 70 (in a 65 zone), we made it home by nightfall.
Who needs to drive like a maniac on streets when you can drive like that on the track!?!?!
-Z.
Next event: The Glen in August. Can't wait!
07-09-2003, 12:33 PM
#74
Pro
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Woodstock,GA
Posts: 674
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey let's beat a dead horse!!
<a href="http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/0703/09racing.html" target="_blank">http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/0703/09racing.html</a>
Enough said.
<a href="http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/0703/09racing.html" target="_blank">http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/0703/09racing.html</a>
Enough said.
