How often do you street race?
07-02-2003, 07:59 PM
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I'm all for a good debate and shouldn't have to walk on egg shells to voice my opinion.
We all agree that the best place for racing is on the track. I'd much rather take my car to the track for performance driving, as I have done in the past. However, there is not a single one of you who can say they have not broken the speed limit, or baked the rear tires, or taken a hard corner on the street. Anything can happen anywhere, so if you would be so concerned about an accident, walk from now on.
I'll clearly state my point again, picking and choosing your places is the 2nd most important thing of racing anyone anywhere. 1st is the condition of your vehicle.
Any fool that decides to race with people around, walking to the 7-11 or driving home from work is an *** clown. If there is no person around besides you and the guy in the other car, and is not on a 2 lane road surrounded by homes/businesses, then it is somewhat acceptable provided the above conditions are present.
If your opinion is "people that street race there Porsche don't deserve it", "we should not be driving", "people that drive there Porsche hard on the street on occaion have no place here", then come take my car, kick me out of this community, because you must deserve it more than me, and I must not be wanted here. I'll take my trusty Buick and live life fat and happy.
We all agree that the best place for racing is on the track. I'd much rather take my car to the track for performance driving, as I have done in the past. However, there is not a single one of you who can say they have not broken the speed limit, or baked the rear tires, or taken a hard corner on the street. Anything can happen anywhere, so if you would be so concerned about an accident, walk from now on.
I'll clearly state my point again, picking and choosing your places is the 2nd most important thing of racing anyone anywhere. 1st is the condition of your vehicle.
Any fool that decides to race with people around, walking to the 7-11 or driving home from work is an *** clown. If there is no person around besides you and the guy in the other car, and is not on a 2 lane road surrounded by homes/businesses, then it is somewhat acceptable provided the above conditions are present.
If your opinion is "people that street race there Porsche don't deserve it", "we should not be driving", "people that drive there Porsche hard on the street on occaion have no place here", then come take my car, kick me out of this community, because you must deserve it more than me, and I must not be wanted here. I'll take my trusty Buick and live life fat and happy.
07-02-2003, 08:13 PM
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A few more points, then I will close my trap and keep everything I post 100% technical and not have any opinion what-so-ever.
People try and race me because I have a nice car, like all of you. It depends on the area. For appearance and how I carry myself, every time I have been out in the car, I am in my business casual attire coming home from work. I drive no more than 5 over the speed limit, and even less as of late because I have been careful in breaking in my car.
For you who attend get togethers, you should bow out from the cruise portions of the events from now on. Chances are, you'll break the speed limit and test some of the ability of your car if you participate.
Sound logical?
People try and race me because I have a nice car, like all of you. It depends on the area. For appearance and how I carry myself, every time I have been out in the car, I am in my business casual attire coming home from work. I drive no more than 5 over the speed limit, and even less as of late because I have been careful in breaking in my car.
For you who attend get togethers, you should bow out from the cruise portions of the events from now on. Chances are, you'll break the speed limit and test some of the ability of your car if you participate.
Sound logical?
07-02-2003, 08:24 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">ryans, you race a 944 n/a? or am i wrong unless you had some major work done, but a n/a isn't **** compared to any other car on the road.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is coming from someone who is not even a Rennlist Member? I will tell you what, If you are not even a Rennlist Member you have no Buisness talking **** about other P-cars, their owners, or the way they choose to drive...on the list.
Why don't you park your 944 next to mine and try to tell me that my 944 ain't **** compared to any other car on the road today... If you are going to talk **** stay off of the list...
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</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is coming from someone who is not even a Rennlist Member? I will tell you what, If you are not even a Rennlist Member you have no Buisness talking **** about other P-cars, their owners, or the way they choose to drive...on the list.
Why don't you park your 944 next to mine and try to tell me that my 944 ain't **** compared to any other car on the road today... If you are going to talk **** stay off of the list...
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07-02-2003, 08:56 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Perry 951:
<strong>I'm all for a good debate and shouldn't have to walk on egg shells to voice my opinion.
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Any fool that decides to race with people around, walking to the 7-11 or driving home from work is an *** clown. If there is no person around besides you and the guy in the other car, and is not on a 2 lane road surrounded by homes/businesses, then it is somewhat acceptable provided the above conditions are present.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is the problem, no matter how far out in the booies you get as long as you are on public roads how can you be sure you are alone? Or some animal might wander out onto the road? Say your doing 100mph on a remote twisty road, how far down the road can you see? Now suppose a deer jumps in front of you, comes through the winshield killing you, we now have a 3000 lb out of control projectile flying down the road.
<strong>I'm all for a good debate and shouldn't have to walk on egg shells to voice my opinion.
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Any fool that decides to race with people around, walking to the 7-11 or driving home from work is an *** clown. If there is no person around besides you and the guy in the other car, and is not on a 2 lane road surrounded by homes/businesses, then it is somewhat acceptable provided the above conditions are present.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is the problem, no matter how far out in the booies you get as long as you are on public roads how can you be sure you are alone? Or some animal might wander out onto the road? Say your doing 100mph on a remote twisty road, how far down the road can you see? Now suppose a deer jumps in front of you, comes through the winshield killing you, we now have a 3000 lb out of control projectile flying down the road.
07-02-2003, 09:03 PM
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UDPride You're absolutely right, forget the ricers, around here flocks of Z28's and Trans Am's are the norm. I'm in the transmission repair business and there's not a week goes by when there's not one on a lift for a differential, engine or transmission. They pay their bill and proceed to tell me how great their car is......
On 'test and tune' nights at the local track they stop over on the way egging me on to follow.
I've gone up against most of them from a roll of 10mph, and can pull 1/2 a car length to 100mph on cars that run 12.60's at the dragstrip.
Perry Dude don't adjust your methods of posting here on someone else's account.
I think most of the complaints come from older/wiser forum participants. The last thing I want is to have my family in the car on the way to a movie and have two cars street racing coming straight for me, but I agree with your position 100%. I'd rather be at the track as well, but a friendly race/test in a safe place is OK in my book.... There are 100's of miles of roads near me that are usually used only by farmers during sugar cane season.....
BTW: I'm taunted all the time (must be the red) but I NEVER race anyone on a major road/highway.
Terry S.
On 'test and tune' nights at the local track they stop over on the way egging me on to follow.
I've gone up against most of them from a roll of 10mph, and can pull 1/2 a car length to 100mph on cars that run 12.60's at the dragstrip.
Perry Dude don't adjust your methods of posting here on someone else's account.
I think most of the complaints come from older/wiser forum participants. The last thing I want is to have my family in the car on the way to a movie and have two cars street racing coming straight for me, but I agree with your position 100%. I'd rather be at the track as well, but a friendly race/test in a safe place is OK in my book.... There are 100's of miles of roads near me that are usually used only by farmers during sugar cane season.....
BTW: I'm taunted all the time (must be the red) but I NEVER race anyone on a major road/highway.
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07-02-2003, 09:20 PM
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Terry.. you're right... don't like it, don't read it.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is the problem, no matter how far out in the booies you get as long as you are on public roads how can you be sure you are alone? Or some animal might wander out onto the road? Say your doing 100mph on a remote twisty road, how far down the road can you see? Now suppose a deer jumps in front of you, comes through the winshield killing you, we now have a 3000 lb out of control projectile flying down the road.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ok.. what about course workers? How about deer running across the track at Road America? (saw that twice in person) Both sides can shoot holes in the other all day long, and we'll still get nowhere.
Driving and sex have a lot in common.. don't want an accident.. don't do it.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is the problem, no matter how far out in the booies you get as long as you are on public roads how can you be sure you are alone? Or some animal might wander out onto the road? Say your doing 100mph on a remote twisty road, how far down the road can you see? Now suppose a deer jumps in front of you, comes through the winshield killing you, we now have a 3000 lb out of control projectile flying down the road.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ok.. what about course workers? How about deer running across the track at Road America? (saw that twice in person) Both sides can shoot holes in the other all day long, and we'll still get nowhere.
Driving and sex have a lot in common.. don't want an accident.. don't do it.
07-03-2003, 10:05 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Perry 951:
<strong>However, there is not a single one of you who can say they have not broken the speed limit, or baked the rear tires, or taken a hard corner on the street. Anything can happen anywhere, so if you would be so concerned about an accident, walk from now on. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry, while I agree that most here have exceeded the speed limit on public roads (myself included), and have driven recklessly at times, you really can't equate the consequences of that to street racing. The chances of something real bad happening are much greater during a street race, than when people exceed the speed limit by 5-10 mph. Case in point: how many street races do you know that exceed the speed limit by ONLY 5-10 mph?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry again
<strong>If there is no person around besides you and the guy in the other car, and is not on a 2 lane road surrounded by homes/businesses, then it is somewhat acceptable provided the above conditions are present.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">How can you ensure this if you are racing on a public road? Really, I want to know how you can guarantee no one else will be on the road...
-Z.
<strong>However, there is not a single one of you who can say they have not broken the speed limit, or baked the rear tires, or taken a hard corner on the street. Anything can happen anywhere, so if you would be so concerned about an accident, walk from now on. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry, while I agree that most here have exceeded the speed limit on public roads (myself included), and have driven recklessly at times, you really can't equate the consequences of that to street racing. The chances of something real bad happening are much greater during a street race, than when people exceed the speed limit by 5-10 mph. Case in point: how many street races do you know that exceed the speed limit by ONLY 5-10 mph?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry again
<strong>If there is no person around besides you and the guy in the other car, and is not on a 2 lane road surrounded by homes/businesses, then it is somewhat acceptable provided the above conditions are present.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">How can you ensure this if you are racing on a public road? Really, I want to know how you can guarantee no one else will be on the road...
-Z.
07-03-2003, 12:01 PM
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I have never street raced due to the fact that I do not think that it is worth all of the risks. Just off the top of my head, the cons outweigh the pros tremendously.
Pros:
1. free - you don't have to pay admission to the track
2. gives you a brief adrenaline rush
3. you could win some money
Cons:
1. all it takes is one un-expecting motorist to pull out in front of you for you to be charged with vehicular man slaughter
2. if you get caught, you could lose your license, get jail time, or pay heavy fines
3. all it takes is a pot-hole to cause you to lose control and kill yourself or someone else
4. you can not ensure that the road ahead of you is free of pot holes, pets, livestock, or road debris
5. although your car may be maintained, you don't know if your opponent's car has been maintained
6. you don't know of your opponent's driving abilities, for all that you know, he could be a crazy drunk who is trying to end his own life.
Since I have never street-raced, I don't know all of the pros. So if anyone can add anything to the list, pro or con, please be my guest.
Pros:
1. free - you don't have to pay admission to the track
2. gives you a brief adrenaline rush
3. you could win some money
Cons:
1. all it takes is one un-expecting motorist to pull out in front of you for you to be charged with vehicular man slaughter
2. if you get caught, you could lose your license, get jail time, or pay heavy fines
3. all it takes is a pot-hole to cause you to lose control and kill yourself or someone else
4. you can not ensure that the road ahead of you is free of pot holes, pets, livestock, or road debris
5. although your car may be maintained, you don't know if your opponent's car has been maintained
6. you don't know of your opponent's driving abilities, for all that you know, he could be a crazy drunk who is trying to end his own life.
Since I have never street-raced, I don't know all of the pros. So if anyone can add anything to the list, pro or con, please be my guest.
07-03-2003, 12:04 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry, while I agree that most here have exceeded the speed limit on public roads (myself included), and have driven recklessly at times, you really can't equate the consequences of that to street racing.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">All it takes is 1 mistake or 1 failure, on track or off, to have a real bad day. You could have it happen coming off the highway from work. 55mph on the offramp, heavy traffic at the light.. no brakes and you e-brake cable sticks. Bummer... should have stayed home. Same thing about entering the pits with a gaggle of people working on cars, or slowing down from a street race. It can and does happen, that is part of life.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The chances of something real bad happening are much greater during a street race, than when people exceed the speed limit by 5-10 mph. Case in point: how many street races do you know that exceed the speed limit by ONLY 5-10 mph?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Sure, the faster you go, the greater risk of higher damage to property and life, but again, that can be applied to both places.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Really, I want to know how you can guarantee no one else will be on the road...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">You can't, unless you are the last person on earth. You can't guarantee it at the track either. Course workers get killed every year, spectators die, participants need to be mopped up, does that mean we all should stop going?
Most of you think I am defending street racing on Main St. in Downtown YourTown, and I am not. I live directly off a main 2 lane road in Cinci that is highly traveled. 25mph, school zone, very busy residential and business area. Would I run out and race someone there? No, nor would I race someone on your street.
However, in the back woods of Ohio, you'll find some nice curvy roads with 1+ mile stretches that have no side streets or driveways. Highway 71 north of Cinci where there can be 4 miles between exits, nothing but cows and wheat, and 1+ mile straights, sure, I'll get on it for a hundo. If there is no one in front of me, the coast looks clear, and traffic on the other side is non existant, I'll see what she's got.
It all goes back to personal responsability and intelligent thinking. Pick your poision, street or track, you can die on both, you can kill on both, and you can live on both. In the end, it was still your choice to turn the key and give it some stick.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The chances of something real bad happening are much greater during a street race, than when people exceed the speed limit by 5-10 mph. Case in point: how many street races do you know that exceed the speed limit by ONLY 5-10 mph?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Sure, the faster you go, the greater risk of higher damage to property and life, but again, that can be applied to both places.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Really, I want to know how you can guarantee no one else will be on the road...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">You can't, unless you are the last person on earth. You can't guarantee it at the track either. Course workers get killed every year, spectators die, participants need to be mopped up, does that mean we all should stop going?
Most of you think I am defending street racing on Main St. in Downtown YourTown, and I am not. I live directly off a main 2 lane road in Cinci that is highly traveled. 25mph, school zone, very busy residential and business area. Would I run out and race someone there? No, nor would I race someone on your street.
However, in the back woods of Ohio, you'll find some nice curvy roads with 1+ mile stretches that have no side streets or driveways. Highway 71 north of Cinci where there can be 4 miles between exits, nothing but cows and wheat, and 1+ mile straights, sure, I'll get on it for a hundo. If there is no one in front of me, the coast looks clear, and traffic on the other side is non existant, I'll see what she's got.
It all goes back to personal responsability and intelligent thinking. Pick your poision, street or track, you can die on both, you can kill on both, and you can live on both. In the end, it was still your choice to turn the key and give it some stick.
07-03-2003, 12:13 PM
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This is kind of about racing....
A fellow was ordered to lose 75 pounds, due to VERY serious health risks. As he wondered how in the heck he would ever do it, he ran across an ad in the newspaper for a guaranteed weight loss program. ''Guaranteed my ***,'' he thought to himself, but desperate, he calls them up and subscribes to the 3 day/ 10 pound weight loss program.
The next day there is a knock at his door and when he answers, there stands before him a voluptous, athletic, beautiful babe dressed in nothing but a pair of NIKE running shoes and a sign around her neck. She introduces herself as a representative of the weight loss company.
The sign reads, ''If you can catch me, you can have me!''
Without a second thought he takes off after her. A few miles later, huffing and puffing, he finally catches her and has his way with her.
After they are through and she leaves, he thinks to himself, ''I like the way this company does business.''
The same girl shows up for the next two days and the same thing happens. On the fourth day he weighs himself and is delighted to find he has lost ten pounds, as promised.
So, he calls the company and orders from them their 5 day/ 20 pound program. As expected, the next day there's a knock at the door and there stands the most stunningly beautiful, sexy woman he has ever seen in his life, wearing nothing but REEBOK running shoes and a sign around her neck that reads, ''If you can catch me, you can have me.''
He's after her in a shot. This girl is in great shape and it takes a while to catch her, but when he does, it's worth every cramp and wheeze. She is by far the best he's ever had. For the next four days, the same routine happens and much to his delight on the fifth day, he weighs himself and found he has lost another twenty pounds as promised!
He decides to go for broke and calls the company to order the 7 day/ 50 pound loss program.
''Are you sure,'' asks the representative on the phone, ''this is our most rigorous program...''
''Absolutely,'' he replies. '' I haven't felt this great in years!''
The next day there is a knock at the door and when he opens it he finds Richard Simmons standing there wearing nothing but pink racing spikes and a sign around his neck that reads, ''If I catch you, I can have you!!'''
A fellow was ordered to lose 75 pounds, due to VERY serious health risks. As he wondered how in the heck he would ever do it, he ran across an ad in the newspaper for a guaranteed weight loss program. ''Guaranteed my ***,'' he thought to himself, but desperate, he calls them up and subscribes to the 3 day/ 10 pound weight loss program.
The next day there is a knock at his door and when he answers, there stands before him a voluptous, athletic, beautiful babe dressed in nothing but a pair of NIKE running shoes and a sign around her neck. She introduces herself as a representative of the weight loss company.
The sign reads, ''If you can catch me, you can have me!''
Without a second thought he takes off after her. A few miles later, huffing and puffing, he finally catches her and has his way with her.
After they are through and she leaves, he thinks to himself, ''I like the way this company does business.''
The same girl shows up for the next two days and the same thing happens. On the fourth day he weighs himself and is delighted to find he has lost ten pounds, as promised.
So, he calls the company and orders from them their 5 day/ 20 pound program. As expected, the next day there's a knock at the door and there stands the most stunningly beautiful, sexy woman he has ever seen in his life, wearing nothing but REEBOK running shoes and a sign around her neck that reads, ''If you can catch me, you can have me.''
He's after her in a shot. This girl is in great shape and it takes a while to catch her, but when he does, it's worth every cramp and wheeze. She is by far the best he's ever had. For the next four days, the same routine happens and much to his delight on the fifth day, he weighs himself and found he has lost another twenty pounds as promised!
He decides to go for broke and calls the company to order the 7 day/ 50 pound loss program.
''Are you sure,'' asks the representative on the phone, ''this is our most rigorous program...''
''Absolutely,'' he replies. '' I haven't felt this great in years!''
The next day there is a knock at the door and when he opens it he finds Richard Simmons standing there wearing nothing but pink racing spikes and a sign around his neck that reads, ''If I catch you, I can have you!!'''
07-03-2003, 01:01 PM
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A quick comment about "the adrenaline rush:"
I've been learning to control the excitement and adrenaline when on the track: I need to be as calm and focused as possible when driving at high speeds, and adrenaline & excitement typically get in the way of this! I'm trying to condition my mind/body to believe that driving on the track is just like a day at the office. I still get thrilled by the rush, it's just that I enjoy that rush only after the session.
It is after the checkered flag drops that I let it all come out!
So no matter what / what / when you drive: it's best to save all the adrenaline energy for after the fact!
-Z-man.
I've been learning to control the excitement and adrenaline when on the track: I need to be as calm and focused as possible when driving at high speeds, and adrenaline & excitement typically get in the way of this! I'm trying to condition my mind/body to believe that driving on the track is just like a day at the office. I still get thrilled by the rush, it's just that I enjoy that rush only after the session.
It is after the checkered flag drops that I let it all come out!
So no matter what / what / when you drive: it's best to save all the adrenaline energy for after the fact!
-Z-man.
07-03-2003, 01:52 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Perry 951:
<strong>Terry.. you're right... don't like it, don't read it.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ok.. what about course workers? How about deer running across the track at Road America? (saw that twice in person) Both sides can shoot holes in the other all day long, and we'll still get nowhere.
Driving and sex have a lot in common.. don't want an accident.. don't do it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry you seem like a nice guy and we probably have allot in common so I am not try to argue with you or put you down in any way...
BUT
There is just no was you can compare street driving to track racing, I hate to beat a dead horse however.
Every one at a race track (racers/spectators/track workers) knows it is a dangerous activity and accepts responsibly for participation and that someone might get hurt.
Because of this the risk of injury is minimized by car inspection, racer wearing safety gear, course worker and spectators typically (not always) are looking at the track,
AND, how about...
No oncoming traffic, no intersections, no telephone poles/trees, spectators are fenced off, run off areas, track workers who wave a flag if something wrong is around the bend, and the list goes on...
Life is dangerous yes, but that is not a license to irresponsibly risk your life
or more importantly the life(s) of others.
Re: My analogy of playing Russia roulette in a kindergarten class.
Whew... when did I become philosophy boy!
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I like these debates though I have to admit it.
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<strong>Terry.. you're right... don't like it, don't read it.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ok.. what about course workers? How about deer running across the track at Road America? (saw that twice in person) Both sides can shoot holes in the other all day long, and we'll still get nowhere.
Driving and sex have a lot in common.. don't want an accident.. don't do it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Perry you seem like a nice guy and we probably have allot in common so I am not try to argue with you or put you down in any way...
BUT
There is just no was you can compare street driving to track racing, I hate to beat a dead horse however.
Every one at a race track (racers/spectators/track workers) knows it is a dangerous activity and accepts responsibly for participation and that someone might get hurt.
Because of this the risk of injury is minimized by car inspection, racer wearing safety gear, course worker and spectators typically (not always) are looking at the track,
AND, how about...
No oncoming traffic, no intersections, no telephone poles/trees, spectators are fenced off, run off areas, track workers who wave a flag if something wrong is around the bend, and the list goes on...
Life is dangerous yes, but that is not a license to irresponsibly risk your life
or more importantly the life(s) of others.
Re: My analogy of playing Russia roulette in a kindergarten class.
Whew... when did I become philosophy boy!
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I've been biting my lip on this one but I guess I left my better judgment home today. Perry, I see your argument and agree with your point.
I believe that unless you've never pushed your car on the street, you have no right to throw stones over this topic. While I am not an advocate or supporter of street racing, I'd be hypocritical to judge others. To say that it's okay to drive over the speed limit (regardless of the amount) but not street race is ignorant. Unless of course your a civil engineer and have conducted feasibility studies on each road you exceed the limits on. And if you've never broken these limits, how come your aren't acting like the post police and the moral guidance counselor on other topics which I see countless postings like "I hit 125mph for the first time today", or "I raced a 996" or "why's my boost drop off at the top of fourth gear" or "I was able to take the off ramp at 75mph today"? How come you aren't abusing the tuners who tell customers that they should set their max boost in fourth and fifth gears? Last time I checked that was well into the triple digits in my car. I see countless postings about Rennlist beer nights, where are the moral soapboxes then? I’m sure at each of these beer events everyone keeps it to a two-drink maximum. It's funny that I went home and watched the news yesterday after reading this fiasco and noted that there were numerous accident/fatalities during rush hour traffic. Guess how many of these were caused by street racing. Guess how many were caused by speeding, driving too closely, cell phones, alcohol consumption, rubber necking, and equipment failure.
It appears that some of you guys fly off the handle when the words street and race are used in the same sentence but won't say a word to the guy who tells his "spirited" driving or new product test story. Be consistent. As far as what was a Porsche designed for? Who cares? If a guy wants to beat the **** out of his car drag racing, road racing, or as a daily driver, I'm not paying to fix it and neither are you. The last time I read my owners manual it didn't say anything about track days so my 951 must not have been designed for it.
Z-man, after reading your posts, it appears that you are very, very emotional over this post? What's the real deep-rooted issue behind this? Is it really necessary to go on with the immature name calling? Pansies, wussies, idiots, scrawny little brains? Grow up man? If you’re really that serious about this issue get out from behind your computer, hit the streets and do something about it. Spend your weekends at the local street-racing scene preaching to the guys you see doing it. Something tells me that your name-calling won’t get you very far in that situation.
As far as I can see, Ryan asked a legitimate question. While I haven't read the rennlist rules and regulations in a few years, I'm not aware that he broke and rules and therefore banishment from the list shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Were you tricked into reading his post? Just because it's a topic you don't like you don't have to be insulting. If you don’t like it, don't read it! Stop being a victim.
I'm not advocating street racing but am advocating consistency. We have this perception that the term street racing applies only to the fast and furious crowd, but the reality is a 951 doing boost pulls and sway bar tests on the freeway or dark country road is just as dangerous and irresponsible and probably applies to many of us on this web board.
I believe that unless you've never pushed your car on the street, you have no right to throw stones over this topic. While I am not an advocate or supporter of street racing, I'd be hypocritical to judge others. To say that it's okay to drive over the speed limit (regardless of the amount) but not street race is ignorant. Unless of course your a civil engineer and have conducted feasibility studies on each road you exceed the limits on. And if you've never broken these limits, how come your aren't acting like the post police and the moral guidance counselor on other topics which I see countless postings like "I hit 125mph for the first time today", or "I raced a 996" or "why's my boost drop off at the top of fourth gear" or "I was able to take the off ramp at 75mph today"? How come you aren't abusing the tuners who tell customers that they should set their max boost in fourth and fifth gears? Last time I checked that was well into the triple digits in my car. I see countless postings about Rennlist beer nights, where are the moral soapboxes then? I’m sure at each of these beer events everyone keeps it to a two-drink maximum. It's funny that I went home and watched the news yesterday after reading this fiasco and noted that there were numerous accident/fatalities during rush hour traffic. Guess how many of these were caused by street racing. Guess how many were caused by speeding, driving too closely, cell phones, alcohol consumption, rubber necking, and equipment failure.
It appears that some of you guys fly off the handle when the words street and race are used in the same sentence but won't say a word to the guy who tells his "spirited" driving or new product test story. Be consistent. As far as what was a Porsche designed for? Who cares? If a guy wants to beat the **** out of his car drag racing, road racing, or as a daily driver, I'm not paying to fix it and neither are you. The last time I read my owners manual it didn't say anything about track days so my 951 must not have been designed for it.
Z-man, after reading your posts, it appears that you are very, very emotional over this post? What's the real deep-rooted issue behind this? Is it really necessary to go on with the immature name calling? Pansies, wussies, idiots, scrawny little brains? Grow up man? If you’re really that serious about this issue get out from behind your computer, hit the streets and do something about it. Spend your weekends at the local street-racing scene preaching to the guys you see doing it. Something tells me that your name-calling won’t get you very far in that situation.
As far as I can see, Ryan asked a legitimate question. While I haven't read the rennlist rules and regulations in a few years, I'm not aware that he broke and rules and therefore banishment from the list shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Were you tricked into reading his post? Just because it's a topic you don't like you don't have to be insulting. If you don’t like it, don't read it! Stop being a victim.
I'm not advocating street racing but am advocating consistency. We have this perception that the term street racing applies only to the fast and furious crowd, but the reality is a 951 doing boost pulls and sway bar tests on the freeway or dark country road is just as dangerous and irresponsible and probably applies to many of us on this web board.