Mike B

What a nightmare...I guess it pays to listen to that little voice in the back of your head...

joseph mitro

scary! and to think i've purchased a car without so much as a PPI!!

944S2NUT

All I can say is WOW!!! This story should be made into a movie!

This piece of human waste has not only robbed me of an extremely large sum of money, he has cost me an additional $2000 in expenses and wrecked my

WRECKED MY WHAT!??! To be continued? Did Montoya come back and kill him before he could finish typing the story?

Red1

I had an experience similar to that. At least I didn't get hooked. I flew to Dallas (luckily that's easy and cheap from here) to buy a car that was represented as "mechanically excellent". It was an '87 951. Thank God I had already owned a couple, so I knew what to look for.

The seats looked good, but didn't match the option codes in the trunk. The sunroof had sun-fading paint, but the dash had NO cracks? The sloppiest shifter I've ever seen in a porsche, (especially one with supposedly 85K on it) the a/c wasn't working (of course), but the real clincher was underneath. Many missing parts behind the foglights, like the ducting for the brakes, and all that. One of the sway bar hangers had impacted something heavily enough it was no longer round. When I started explaining what I was finding, the seller started to come clean with his having replaced the dash, the seats, etc. I know it's hard to walk away from a car you wanted, and in my case the asking price from the seller was dropping rapidly as I stood there. What started at $7500 I left with the seller begging for $4000. I felt cheated for the money I put out for plane tickets, but it was a lesson I'll never forget. I wouldn't contemplate buying any car sight unseen.

It left me with an impression. If you are looking at an out-of-town car that seems decently priced for a desireable model, why hasn't it been sold locally? When I had made my final decision, the Dallas sellers admitted several locals had looked at the car and had turned it down too.

DFASTEST951

Wow, and to think I did a long distance purchase on my Beemer I have now and I did something worse...I gave my girlfriend a check as I was in Detroit on business, had her fly from Orlando to Atlanta!!! to buy it for me!!! Told her "you know how I am baby, check everything and if it's everything he says it is, do the deal". I got F$#@!%& lucky. Never again. I don't even know this guy and want to take a few of my boys down to see Mr. Montoya. This should never happen. He will get his. I hope this buyer is there when he does too...

UDPride

This guy obviously knows where Francisco lives. I say we drive down there, beat him with bars of soap, and tar and feather him one night.

yarin

That is one crazy ****. People are scumbags.

I passed on a "pristine" 914 just yesterday. Adrial and I went to check it out, turns out it wasn't exactly pristine. Full story with pics here is anyone is interested: <a href="http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2741&s=23d8354deea05cb8e78bdea783f3c0c1" target="_blank">http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2741&s=23d8354deea05cb8e78bdea783f3c0c1</a>
All the good stuff is on page 2. Cheers

UDPride

Yikes. That 914 story was equally harrowing. Odd tranny issues. Sounds like a 915 outta the 930 but that begs the question why.

I like the comment about the 914 being fast. As opposed to what? A Schwinn?

There were a couple incredible 914s at the local Taj cruise-in a few weeks ago. One was orange and appeared mint. It was yummy.

nine-44

If that happened to me, 10K plus! That guy would be recieving body parts of his family members in the mail until I got my money back! No Sh... Gotta watch some used cars that don't exactly seem right.

sybelix

wow, what a story !
I feel sorry for the dude.
Damn. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

dualblade

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 944S2NUT:
<strong>All I can say is WOW!!! This story should be made into a movie!

This piece of human waste has not only robbed me of an extremely large sum of money, he has cost me an additional $2000 in expenses and wrecked my

WRECKED MY WHAT!??! To be continued? Did Montoya come back and kill him before he could finish typing the story?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">click part II on the original post. that's the second half of the story

jabbadeznuts

He should be shot.

PrerYDoG

Heh - in some of his responses he mentions that he's trying to get over anger management issues (something I am all to familiar with). Montoya would be no more if I'd have been ripped off in S.FL. Anger management techniques that I've learned would have gone right out the damn window

M Danger

this is what desert eagles are for!
I would have gone back and held him at gun poimt to get the money back. whats the seller going to do? call the cops to tell him he screwed someone and the are getting their money back?

Jeff928S4

Here is the rest of the story after it cuts off.....

.......my plans of driving across the US. Something I haven’t done since I was a kid when we moved from Virginia out here and something that I have never done on my own. It would have been a fantastic trip in a red M3 in the springtime. The memories would have lasted a lifetime. I’m without transportation now and I walk to Tree’s Wings for dinner and to get a double order of Cajun and Super hot wings to take home for Andrea. I think it’s called Tree’s because of the huge Banyan trees in the parking lot.

I get up at 3:30 the next morning, get a $100 Airport Shuttle ride to Ft Lauderdale and say good-bye to Florida. Andrea picks me up at the airport, man, am I glad to see her. I felt really bad about leaving her alone that long. I was starting to worry about her, all alone in the house. It’s in the 50’s here and I shiver my way through the next few days and take care of my sunburn. It’s so bad my whole head starts to peel. The wings and seashells are a big hit, although on the expensive side…I’m in touch with UTI for the next few days, Fax them some info/details, they’ve got their own attorneys involved…

Finally I get a phone call from Jerry Ellner at UTI. He tells me that in the event that Montoya’s charged with criminal wrongdoing, they will fire him instantly and that he knows that. He also tells me that he “strongly recommended’ to Montoya that he returns my money. He also informed me that Jeff Mickey, the Vice-President of UTI, a 200 million dollar a year company got personally involved and that he also “strongly recommended” to Montoya that he reimburse me for the car. You can’t ask for anymore than that, I spoke to Ellner for a while about all the BMW’s and Porsche 911’s that he had owned, upstanding guy, very concerned about his company’s image, these guys are all gearheads too, the kind of people that I can relate to better than anybody else.

What I don’t understand is, if Montoya bought the car from dealer in Miami, how come he doesn’t go back to that guy all pi$$ed off and raise hell, “Hey give me my money back on this car, plus you guys sold me a stolen car and it caused me a lot of trouble etc, etc.”

I finally get a hold of a detective Rodriguez in Miami and fill him in on the details. Who is this Exceptional Inc, I ask him. They’re in Opa Locka, south of Miami, in an area the auto theft detective is “very familiar” with. “We have a lot of problems in that area”, he tells me. He’s got somebody on it and he’s going to order a body file on the 89 and the stolen car and get down to the bottom of it. He tells me “I hate for you to find out this way, but Florida leads the nation in this kind of crime.”

I start bugging Auto trader also, and through some slight trickery found out that Montoya started the ad April 11th, 2003. “His” M5 started running in there at the same time and hasn’t sold yet. It’s sounded like $hit when he backed it out of the driveway one day and the body looked like it was massaged by the same “professionals” who did the M3. Is it another chop shop car? It figures he lied to me about the ad just coming out, he lied to me about holding the car for me and the other buyers, after a month in the Auto Trader, there were no other buyers. That’s when I started posting the ads on the BMW forums trying to find other people who had talked to him or looked at the car.

No luck there so far or with the Everglades chapter of the BMWCCA, although they told me that no one in their club knows him and that he is not related to Juan Pablo Montoya, and he is not a BMWCCA member either. I decided to post an online ad in Auto Trader, I made the ad look just like his, same description and price, with the words, “Help, I bought a stolen car. Anyone who looked at the car or talked to the seller please get a hold of me”…

I just talked to a very nice gal, “Cecilia” about updating the wording on the ad a couple days ago and she was kinda upset “Say, what’s going on with this ad “She asks? What do you mean, I ask her? A guy called yesterday, he was yelling and saying we need to stop running the ad, that this is in court right now, bla, bla, bla” Ahhh, Montoya. How can you tell if Montoya’s lying? Are his lips moving?

I told her, it’s my ad right? Right, she says. I’m paying for it, it can say whatever I want it to say? Right. “Well, what’s going on with this ad? “She asks? Do you really want to know? “Yeah I want to know!”, so I tell her. Omygod, she says, she wants me to change my ad to, “Warning, this guy sells stolen cars” I get a little laugh out of that and the she actually starts to give me legal advice, and it’s actually pretty damn good stuff.

The Auto trader ad paid off, I start getting phone calls. On the 2nd of June I get a message from “Greg” about his ordeal with the Montoya and the car, he wants me to call him.

I called him and listened to his story. His story confirmed everything that I suspected about Montoya’s prior knowledge of the car’s problems. Montoya knew about the CARFAX. He blatantly lied to me on the phone in order to lure me down to Florida and sell me a very questionable, and in fact, stolen car. I know now for a fact that this man is a liar, and a crook.

Greg lives in Seattle, and he is a manager at Boeing. What a coincidence, we only live 300 miles from each other. He called on the M3 back in April, got the same story I did, the same tissue of lies. And Montoya was “holding” the car for him too. He flew in on the 3rd of May and returned on the 5th. Amazingly enough, Montoya took him to the Royal Inn also, and he stayed in the very same room I did, Room 131, overlooking the pool. With Montoya’s UTI credentials and the story about “The Collection”, he had not bothered to do a CARFAX either. He checked the car out, drove it around the block, (The Montoya no license plate maneuver). Montoya was opposed to the idea bank financing and discouraged him from running a CARFAX. Overall the car was nice, so he wrote Montoya a check for $10,500 and flew back home. Transport was to be arranged to get the car home later. It was only because one of his friends in Seattle pestered him about it that he did a CARFAX on the M3. He was aghast. He immediately called Montoya, got his wife on the phone and told her what was going on. She didn’t “understand”, so he explained it to her in these terms. I don’t want the car, it’s junk, I’ve already contacted my attorney, and if you even try to cash that check, I will sue you.

Now if you’re selling a legitimate car, have it sold, the money in your hand and the buyer suddenly backs out and threatens lawsuit, you would think that the seller would be in a little bit of a shock and would at the very least try to find out what the problem is. The amazing thing is that he never got as much as one phone call from Montoya regarding the car and his check for $10,500. Greg mentioned having to close his bank account to protect himself because Montoya still has his check with all of the personal information on it. This man is a crook, no doubt about it. I myself at one point during my stay at the Royal Inn suddenly got very spooked about this guy and went to the front desk with a story about inoperative A/C in order to change rooms. I then had to make sure that they didn’t tell anybody which room I was in. I had started to worry that he might have me killed in the middle of the night in order to get rid of me and keep the money. Undoubtedly, this guy has some very unsavory contacts. For all I know, he had other keys to the car and could have very easily just taken it back and called Exceptional Inc. to have the title turned in as lost or stolen giving “them” free reign to sell the car again. All I can say is that I was glad to get home alive.

Greg is willing to fly to Florida to testify on my behalf against Montoya. He gave up on buying an M3 and bought a 90’s Corvette instead. He is at this time preparing what will be a notarized statement for me and making copies of all of the receipts for the expense that he incurred as a result of this fraudulent seller.

Here is one of his last emails;

Hi Keith,

I still can't believe what happened to you. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

I'm in the process of getting all the documents together I can, and I'm also preparing a statement describing what happened when I visited
Francisco.

I should have all this done by early next week.

Since I can't seem to find a decent M3 anywhere... I broke down and bought a 1991 Corvette convertible 6-speed. It's a California car with 17K on it...the carfax is clean and the car is awesome. It's red, black top, black leather. It's a little different, but I think it will be a nice weekend cruiser.

Talk to you later,
Greg

A couple days ago, a man by the name of “Martin” called me from Chicago to share his story…

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