Potomac-Greg

I'm looking at the Weltmeister harness bar for my 88 944. The ad images show it with harnesses directly anchored to it, and not just passed over it and anchored elsewhere. Is that correct?

The Brey Kraus version is called a "guide bar" which I assume means it does not anchor the harnesses(?).

Potomac-Greg

Answered my own question.
Treat all harness bars as guide bars when achieving any speed.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...m/harness2.htm

krystar

yea unless it's part of roll cage or yer only doing autox, i wouldn't wrap a harness around it.

PorscheDoc

To reach the seat belt mounting points, make sure you have (or order) extended shoulder harness belts. The standard belts are not long enough to reach all the way down there when going over a bar.

schwank

I once bought a Weltmeister bar. Once I received it, there was no way I was trusting it with my life.

So I bought a Redline rollbar. Better. But now I have a full cage. The Redline rollbar is the only one I have seen that appears to be to be burly enough to take a decent hit and still hold up.

Tom R.

harnesses are made to stretch a certain amount. the longer the harness, the more it will stretch.

Hence, the harness should be as short as possible. At least that's what i read.

Bob Rouleau

Years ago (1995 I think, I raised this question with Weltmeister who answered that the harness should be attached to the bar. Longer straps stretch more and in addition subject the bar to greater force, root 2 or 1.4 times if you use it as a guide bar and achor the straps to a lower point behind the bar.

If you are concerned about the integrity of the bar, wear your three point oem seatbelt over it and life is good.

Best,

StoogeMoe

Where does everyone mount the belts when using a harness bar? Do they just go to the rear seat belt mounting points? I'm probably going to do something like this over the winter, so now I'm starting to pay attention to these things.

Also where does the submarine belt(s) get mounted to?

Potomac-Greg

Let's make it even more interesting. How about this bar? It has the weltmeister mounting points, but also runs "legs" down to the lower seatbelt mounts. Tougher than the weltie, but tough enough to anchor the harness?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=110312446172

PS: Schwank - did you sell that Redline bar?

xsboost90

PCA will not let you pass inspection w/ a guide bar used as a harness bar. You must have a multi point attachment bar such as that last one shown or a redline bar if you are attaching harnesses to it. Most guys will run the harness over the guide bar and attach the harnesses in the rear either through the body or to the rear seatbelt bolts.

Tom R.

go to the racing forum and do a search. chose the answer you like best. there are a bunch of opinions there.

then go to the PCA site and read their rules for what you want to do. I think DE and club race may have different rules. I do know when i was talking to pete tremper in jan 07 he said the sub holes in the seat had to be factory holes. dont know if that changed.

dont forget, four point harnesses are illegal, three five and six are OK. if using a five or six point harness the belts have to pass through the seat, so factory 944 seats should be illegal although ive seen people here run factory seats with jury rigged contraptions, and the same top tech guy send me back because my the envelope that contained my insurance card, registration, DE log book total weight less than two ounces of soft paper, and potential projectile spare DME were in the glove. but the cigarette lighter in the dash was OK.

Now I remember why i had a redline bar and factory belts. Much easier to be legal. safety first?

schwank

Nope, still chillin in my attic. It's available but Wipeout has first refusal. We haven't really been making any effort to get rid of it so... LMK if you are interested.

billthe3

Doesn't the weltmiester harness bar mount on the c pillars? I could have sworn that is where mine mounted... Of course after I bought mine the only thing I trusted it with was a mount for my video camera.