Ferarri's racing heritage down the drain
05-13-2002, 10:43 AM
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Here's what a buddy of mine who used to work in FI sent me this morning:
There's a perfect job opening for Jean Todt after he retires from F-1 ----- French Figure Skating Judge, where the winner will always be who he chooses it to be. What's the situation if you have put serious money on Barrichello to win? The result has, in effect, been fixed, the same as a boxer throwing a fight. If this happened in the Triple Crown of horse racing there would likely be arrests and certainly a ban on the offending stable by the racing commission.
There's a perfect job opening for Jean Todt after he retires from F-1 ----- French Figure Skating Judge, where the winner will always be who he chooses it to be. What's the situation if you have put serious money on Barrichello to win? The result has, in effect, been fixed, the same as a boxer throwing a fight. If this happened in the Triple Crown of horse racing there would likely be arrests and certainly a ban on the offending stable by the racing commission.
05-13-2002, 11:00 AM
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I was watching that race in German. I could only catch bits and pieces of what happened.
My thing, if ferrari wants mike to win, than he wins. Who pays their salary? Ruben is in 4th? right now anyway. Team ferrari may have made an odd decision, but they still came in 1st & 2nd.
We all know who the winner was, so if ferrari needs to boost their image even more, then so be it.
My thing, if ferrari wants mike to win, than he wins. Who pays their salary? Ruben is in 4th? right now anyway. Team ferrari may have made an odd decision, but they still came in 1st & 2nd.
We all know who the winner was, so if ferrari needs to boost their image even more, then so be it.
05-13-2002, 11:13 AM
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Ferrari's racing heritage it not down the drain, they are doing what they have to do to make sure they take the drivers championship, thats all. Sure Rubens should have won, and i really would have liked for him to take the #1 spot for real on the podium, but this was the better thing to do for ferrari as a whole.
It has happend in F1 for forever, and similar things go on in racing. And as someone pointed out it is better than the blocking that goes on in NASCRAP.
As far as Shumacher being a great man, well I can't really speak at that. We don't get the best coverage here. One thing is for sure, he still gets excited when he wins a real race, he drives as hard as he can, and he is the best. He may be a little cocky, but being the highest paid athleet in the world will do that to you, and I think he is a whole lot better than the #2 guy on that list, tiger woods the little cry baby.
It may not have been perfect ending to a race, but I do like watching the prancing horse where it should be.....
It has happend in F1 for forever, and similar things go on in racing. And as someone pointed out it is better than the blocking that goes on in NASCRAP.
As far as Shumacher being a great man, well I can't really speak at that. We don't get the best coverage here. One thing is for sure, he still gets excited when he wins a real race, he drives as hard as he can, and he is the best. He may be a little cocky, but being the highest paid athleet in the world will do that to you, and I think he is a whole lot better than the #2 guy on that list, tiger woods the little cry baby.
It may not have been perfect ending to a race, but I do like watching the prancing horse where it should be.....
05-13-2002, 11:53 AM
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Yesterday's events highlight the reasons why I'm no longer a F1 fan.
I recall 20 yrs ago when Gilles Villeneuve died at Zolder, that he had mentioned that the event before, he was so disillusioned when Didier
Pironi, despite team orders to back-off and stay in 2nd (preserve cars and positions), overtook him anyway to win. He was so rattled by this he
wasn't focused and this probably contributed to his lapse at the following event.
In those days Ferrari policy was, that whenever their cars came into a #1, #2 sequence, unless something went wrong, they were to remain that
way to the flag <sigh>.
Meanwhile, the same way that Pironi disobeyed those team orders, so too could Schumacher have today. I also recall years later, Lauda's middle
finger being pointed out of his Ferrari in refusal of similar passing orders and not letting his teammate by. I don't think superstar
Schumacher would have risked losing his job if he'd have defied the orders and stayed back.
It's all disgusting and just reinforces why I
won't even bother with my local GP next month (Montreal) - asides from the cost, lack
of passing, being treated like cattle... I could go on, and on.
I'm sorry, but F1 the quickly become the WWF of the racing world. The no-nothings still contend that it's real racing. It's a heartless, souless marketing exercise.
Too bad. I remeber when I was very little, my father would drag me up to Mt Tremblant, I was both terrified and thrilled watching these masters battle it out on the totally unforgiving track. We'd walk the pits, the driver's were human and approachable.
When my son is born, I'll take him to ALMS event, the spirt of racing seems to be still alive there .(at least somewhat)
Boy, I sound like an old man!
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Yesterday's events highlight the reasons why I'm no longer a F1 fan.
I recall 20 yrs ago when Gilles Villeneuve died at Zolder, that he had mentioned that the event before, he was so disillusioned when Didier
Pironi, despite team orders to back-off and stay in 2nd (preserve cars and positions), overtook him anyway to win. He was so rattled by this he
wasn't focused and this probably contributed to his lapse at the following event.
In those days Ferrari policy was, that whenever their cars came into a #1, #2 sequence, unless something went wrong, they were to remain that
way to the flag <sigh>.
Meanwhile, the same way that Pironi disobeyed those team orders, so too could Schumacher have today. I also recall years later, Lauda's middle
finger being pointed out of his Ferrari in refusal of similar passing orders and not letting his teammate by. I don't think superstar
Schumacher would have risked losing his job if he'd have defied the orders and stayed back.
It's all disgusting and just reinforces why I
won't even bother with my local GP next month (Montreal) - asides from the cost, lack
of passing, being treated like cattle... I could go on, and on.
I'm sorry, but F1 the quickly become the WWF of the racing world. The no-nothings still contend that it's real racing. It's a heartless, souless marketing exercise.
Too bad. I remeber when I was very little, my father would drag me up to Mt Tremblant, I was both terrified and thrilled watching these masters battle it out on the totally unforgiving track. We'd walk the pits, the driver's were human and approachable.
When my son is born, I'll take him to ALMS event, the spirt of racing seems to be still alive there .(at least somewhat)
Boy, I sound like an old man!
Nomex suit OFF, Rant mode OFF
05-13-2002, 01:21 PM
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Unfortunately for the fans, F1, like NASCAR, is a business first and a sport second... just a reality of economics, I suppose.
Imagine what a folk hero & legend MS could have become by disobeying team orders. And Ferrari wouldn't / couldn't have done a dam' thing about it; maybe a piddlin' *** little fine. They're sure not going to fire or demote him.
But ISTR that the Austrian GP was the only F1 circuit that he hadn't yet won on...
Jim.... looks like the reality of that remains intact...
Imagine what a folk hero & legend MS could have become by disobeying team orders. And Ferrari wouldn't / couldn't have done a dam' thing about it; maybe a piddlin' *** little fine. They're sure not going to fire or demote him.
But ISTR that the Austrian GP was the only F1 circuit that he hadn't yet won on...
Jim.... looks like the reality of that remains intact...