Tom R.

the word poor is in poorsh for a reason!
you cannot say porsche without saying poor!
should i continue?

I have a disk in my garage. what dimensions do you want? i bet the racers already covered the ground you are journeying on.

i got soaked for over 2500 for my clutch. but they changed the reference sensors, the bracket for teh sensors, every bolt, etc.

Smoker324

Tom R is right -- poor us 44 owners when it comes time for the clutch!

The pelican list price for 44 disc is 347.75. The 968 disc is 176.00. What possible reason is behind this price delta?

What is the diff between these two anyway? Other than the obvious width -- what else is diff?

-Dan

ps. Tom -- thanks for the offer -- what is the width of the center portion? Is the diameter 220MM?

TRDRacer

Thanks you smoker 324! I am also looking to see if there is any other setup from a different car that can work on this car! The disks are made with new age materials just like other cars and there should be no reason to make it more expensive! Hell with porsche name being a issue, it's an old *** car, 1985! To me price should go down, not up just like on all other cars! Plus this was one of the less favored cares porsche made!

Daily944, just woundering if you could you get me a clutch kit with your shop discount? And what was included in it?

Thanks

Reimu

That must be the price everyone sells them so it sticks. They know we'll buy them anyway like that so they keep up the outrageous price.

MichelleJD

Man - I'd have paid $800 not to do this job in a heartbeat!!

Yummybud924

with shipping the cheapest sachs clutch kit I can find one bay will add up to 600 dollars.

now clarks garage says book time to replace the clutch is 20 hours times that by 100 / h for a porsche shop will add to about 2500 bucks !!

If my clutch goes I don't have the time to do it myself as it's not something I can do in a weekend I know I'll get stuck and it'll end up being a huge project. So I'll have to save up the money to get a shop to do it once the cltuch goes.


I think the labor required is the most ridiculous and a stupid design.


it's not a toyota tercel though so we should expect expensive repairs like this just because it's a porsche.




I've thought about pulling the engine also if I were to do it myself. I think replacing the clutch with the engine out would be much easier than lying on your back with teh car one jackstands and pulling the tranny etc.


the engine doesn't look too difficult to get out. header has to be disconnected, fuel lines, wires, then crossmember and has to be droppedand that's pretty much it.

getting the engine to fit back in properly might be a pain though, it's always easier removing things than getting it to fit back in properly.

TRDRacer

I am scared to take the engine out as i have never done it and Don't know if I will be able to hook everything up again as far as wiring goes! Is there a DIY with pics on how to take the engine out and put it back in again?

Also will the 968 disk work with the 944 pressure plate and flywheel?

FRporscheman

The 968 clutch disk is a solid disk - no springs. That's why it's cheap, and that's why it will not work in a 944. The NA disk is expensive because there is little supply and high demand. Simple economics... There is no reason for it to be expensive, but the market allows for it to be expensive.

Intake removal is (supposedly) necessary on 944 turbos because you need to remove the crossover pipe, since that pipe blocks the bellhousing. On an NA 944 the intake is not removed for a clutch job.

Yummybud924

wiring? The 944 engine doesn't seem to complicated with wiring. All I can think of are the injector harness, ref / speed sensor, air flow sensor, dmw temps sensor, oxygen sensor, tps sensor and that's pretty much it, and the wires to the starter.

now thinking about it I'd definately just pull the engine if I ever did a clutch job on a 944.

I don't have an engine hoist though, so if my clutch goes I'll probably just pay to have it done as I won't save enough to justify doing all that work myself.


anyone know if most porsche shops actually charge 20+ hours in labour to change the clutch? that's what clarks garage states it seems a little long. With the proper shop tools / hoist and a mechanic that knows 944s I doubt he'd have to work 20 hours to replace the clutch.

FRporscheman

About 5 years ago I was quoted $1500 for a clutch job on an NA. You can get an engine hoist for $150-250.

KuHL 951

What I can't figure out is how Sachs can make a complete PP/clutch kit for my 4.0L Ranger for $159 but for a Porsche 944 it's over $600? Something tells me their markup is a bit skewed based on what they have to compete against by model.

speedtek

Have 5 Mechanic friends come over and with the Haynes Manual we did it in 16 hours. Mostly taking our sweet time. We did this on the floor with tall 5 ton jackstands. Now we can do it with 4 people and under 10 hours.

MichelleJD

Only on 86's with the one piece crossover. The crossover does not block the bellhousing, but there is no way to get the WG out w/o a two piece crossover.

Kburke

Well the real translation for the German word Porsche is A GRAND haha

JimV8

The NA's had a soft rubber centre on the PP and if it has sheared then as you get on/off the gas it bangs against the stops. You can drive it like that but it puts alot of strain on the gear box and the R&P in particular. I bought a Sachs Spring centre one on Ebay a couple of years ago for less that $ 300.00. I did the work myself but it's alot of work.