No more Anderson vs Huntley Racing
12-12-2002, 02:16 AM
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No more Anderson vs Huntley Racing
I will let this post, as written by none other than Neal Wright, the owner and driver of the "Huntley Racing Red Car" for the past several years...end the flames.
Mr. Neal Wright wrote:
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Derrek,
This all would be funny if it weren't truly so sad for you and your business. I really really wish for your sake and and the well being of those around you that you would face reality and put an end to it.
The facts are you brought the car to beat Anderson. You lost. You were slower. The car failed to make the main race. You have exaggerated your times. You have attempted to diminish the documented success of Anderson's effort. You have failed to show any proof of your claims. No one in the Anderson camp claims to be some great race team. We are not. We have a lot to learn.
With all that said, we now need to address some specifics:
First,you were not within a few seconds of the Anderson car all weekend as you claimed. You did not run a 1:34.2 in a previous session. Here's the proof,(in addition of what the official sheets show) if you had run a 34.2 you would have started in front of me for the qual race. You did not, you started one position me and moved ahead on the start. I only turned a low 35 in all the morning sessions, we made some changes and got faster for the qual race. Touring Car takes the best lap of the entire morning and uses that as your starting time. There is no official "qualifying session" as there is with the POC. Therefore, you can't say you were faster in another session.
Second, You said Ike turned a 1:33. He did not. Before I go on I must make it clear to anyone who may read this I think Ike has a great car. He is an excellent motor builder. Is a great driver with a very inspiring competitive nature, and is a cool guy to hang around with. Do not try to spin this point as a slap against Ike. Ike is not on this list and is unaware of the claims you have made. According to the conversation I had with Ike on Monday night, he said he thought he did a 1:34.9. I do not yet have the proof of this but it sounds correct since the leaders in his group seem to always be in the 34's. And he is in the top 3 of his group. He gets it done in that car!
When I told Ike you said he passed us like we were "chained down", he laughed. He's a good guy.
Yes he did pass me on the front straight coming out of nine mostly because I passed him on the inside of nine, which, as you know can foul up your exit.
I can't believe you would take this one incident that happened in the first run session of the weekend, when no one was fast, everyone was cold, etc. and post it as if was a real event to make something of. If you think it is something to be proud of, then give me some credit for making the pass on him on the inside of turn 9. After all, he was in front of me before he had the opportunity to retake me. It's trivial, we were not racing. Your whole implication here is that the little 2.2 took Anserson's car. It did not.
Again, Ike has it together with his car, mechanical abilities, and driving skill. When you said he was "moving up" I knew I had a real challenge because he is fast and reliable as I have already mentioned. Don't drag him into this. I think he is above it.
Third, if you were only there with Chris' car to offer support to him and get some track time in his street car, then why would you put it in the race group and take the risks that are inherent to wheel to wheel racing?? It seems much smarter to avoid the race. As we all know, you had the car on the track to beat us. Be honest with yourself.
Fourth, upon finally admitting you lost, you have begun to diminish Chris' car, and the other Turbo that was on the track with the intent to imply we didn't have any "real" competition. Yeah, the Turbo had problems after the race and did not run on Sunday. The vette that beat us and the Turbo was a real car in street trim. We beat him on Sunday and had a great time discussing it after the race. I suppose he doesn't count either.
Fifth, I must agree with you that your boxter will take the Anderson car. If it doesn't then something is really wrong with the car. Although the less strict rules may allow the car to be GT3, you know in your heart it's a complete mismatch no matter the classification That's why you're trying to play it up. Simply based on the Boxter's specs, barring failure, it's a sure thing on your part.
The facts are the facts. There is no spinning room available when the documented results speak for themselves. The Anderson car has three successful weekends within 8 weeks at WSIR. It has been there at the end and been fast each time. My Huntley prepared car failed 5 out of 6 attempts this year. You have not completed a "main event" race in nearly two years. It's too bad because you are a good driver when you have reliable, well prepared equiptment.
Be a professional, stop making false claims in an attempt to discredit Anderson's results and to inflate yours. Take care of your business and get over it. Move on. I have.
Best of luck to you and your wonderful family. I will miss all of them and your guys at the shop.
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Neal Wright
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Take Care!
Mr. Neal Wright wrote:
" posted 12-12-2002 00:33
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Derrek,
This all would be funny if it weren't truly so sad for you and your business. I really really wish for your sake and and the well being of those around you that you would face reality and put an end to it.
The facts are you brought the car to beat Anderson. You lost. You were slower. The car failed to make the main race. You have exaggerated your times. You have attempted to diminish the documented success of Anderson's effort. You have failed to show any proof of your claims. No one in the Anderson camp claims to be some great race team. We are not. We have a lot to learn.
With all that said, we now need to address some specifics:
First,you were not within a few seconds of the Anderson car all weekend as you claimed. You did not run a 1:34.2 in a previous session. Here's the proof,(in addition of what the official sheets show) if you had run a 34.2 you would have started in front of me for the qual race. You did not, you started one position me and moved ahead on the start. I only turned a low 35 in all the morning sessions, we made some changes and got faster for the qual race. Touring Car takes the best lap of the entire morning and uses that as your starting time. There is no official "qualifying session" as there is with the POC. Therefore, you can't say you were faster in another session.
Second, You said Ike turned a 1:33. He did not. Before I go on I must make it clear to anyone who may read this I think Ike has a great car. He is an excellent motor builder. Is a great driver with a very inspiring competitive nature, and is a cool guy to hang around with. Do not try to spin this point as a slap against Ike. Ike is not on this list and is unaware of the claims you have made. According to the conversation I had with Ike on Monday night, he said he thought he did a 1:34.9. I do not yet have the proof of this but it sounds correct since the leaders in his group seem to always be in the 34's. And he is in the top 3 of his group. He gets it done in that car!
When I told Ike you said he passed us like we were "chained down", he laughed. He's a good guy.
Yes he did pass me on the front straight coming out of nine mostly because I passed him on the inside of nine, which, as you know can foul up your exit.
I can't believe you would take this one incident that happened in the first run session of the weekend, when no one was fast, everyone was cold, etc. and post it as if was a real event to make something of. If you think it is something to be proud of, then give me some credit for making the pass on him on the inside of turn 9. After all, he was in front of me before he had the opportunity to retake me. It's trivial, we were not racing. Your whole implication here is that the little 2.2 took Anserson's car. It did not.
Again, Ike has it together with his car, mechanical abilities, and driving skill. When you said he was "moving up" I knew I had a real challenge because he is fast and reliable as I have already mentioned. Don't drag him into this. I think he is above it.
Third, if you were only there with Chris' car to offer support to him and get some track time in his street car, then why would you put it in the race group and take the risks that are inherent to wheel to wheel racing?? It seems much smarter to avoid the race. As we all know, you had the car on the track to beat us. Be honest with yourself.
Fourth, upon finally admitting you lost, you have begun to diminish Chris' car, and the other Turbo that was on the track with the intent to imply we didn't have any "real" competition. Yeah, the Turbo had problems after the race and did not run on Sunday. The vette that beat us and the Turbo was a real car in street trim. We beat him on Sunday and had a great time discussing it after the race. I suppose he doesn't count either.
Fifth, I must agree with you that your boxter will take the Anderson car. If it doesn't then something is really wrong with the car. Although the less strict rules may allow the car to be GT3, you know in your heart it's a complete mismatch no matter the classification That's why you're trying to play it up. Simply based on the Boxter's specs, barring failure, it's a sure thing on your part.
The facts are the facts. There is no spinning room available when the documented results speak for themselves. The Anderson car has three successful weekends within 8 weeks at WSIR. It has been there at the end and been fast each time. My Huntley prepared car failed 5 out of 6 attempts this year. You have not completed a "main event" race in nearly two years. It's too bad because you are a good driver when you have reliable, well prepared equiptment.
Be a professional, stop making false claims in an attempt to discredit Anderson's results and to inflate yours. Take care of your business and get over it. Move on. I have.
Best of luck to you and your wonderful family. I will miss all of them and your guys at the shop.
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Neal Wright
86 Soon to be Turbo Car"
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12-12-2002, 03:51 AM
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I would have liked to have seen that race up at Willow Springs. The competition between Anderson Motorwerks and Huntley Racing is much similar to the Ford vs Chevy of NASCAR. In conclusion, the results pretty much implicated the claims with proven evidence. But I don't think the war is over yet... 
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12-12-2002, 05:06 AM
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Is anybody else SICK AND TIRED of this ****?????
He said this, he said that, blah blah blah...
John, how did you expect posting this would end the anderson vs. huntley garbage??? Since when does throwing gasoline on a fire make it go out???
Stop the bantering!!
But no, those that banter will respond to this post and say "no, we want to spread the bad word about company X so that no more customers will be taken by them" yeah yeah, just good will right? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that YOU want to earn a profit eh????
Isn't it interesting how those that have no economic interest in either usually DON'T add to these BS threads? (Yea im being hypocritical here, but this has been going on for wayy too long and I hope it will at least begin to stop.)
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He said this, he said that, blah blah blah...
John, how did you expect posting this would end the anderson vs. huntley garbage??? Since when does throwing gasoline on a fire make it go out???
Stop the bantering!!
But no, those that banter will respond to this post and say "no, we want to spread the bad word about company X so that no more customers will be taken by them" yeah yeah, just good will right? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that YOU want to earn a profit eh????
Isn't it interesting how those that have no economic interest in either usually DON'T add to these BS threads? (Yea im being hypocritical here, but this has been going on for wayy too long and I hope it will at least begin to stop.)
--adrial
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12-12-2002, 10:13 AM
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No one shives a git what these two turd flingers say about turd flinging!
Money talks, Bullshirt walks.
Do you know where nuckin futz is? thats where huntley and anderson are going with this crapola.
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Money talks, Bullshirt walks.
Do you know where nuckin futz is? thats where huntley and anderson are going with this crapola.
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12-12-2002, 10:19 AM
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12-12-2002, 10:23 AM
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What I find sad about this whole tuner war is that now when I think about my NEXT purchase, I am not considering the companies involved in this, as my confidence has been severly diminished.
This kind of stuff only hurts themselves.
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This kind of stuff only hurts themselves.
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12-12-2002, 10:57 AM
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I fail to see, how posting about results of a race ( I in no way siad anything harmfull to any teams involved, I simply gave a very true and accurate accounting of the events.) on this forum are a bad thing. If I cannot post about racing then why be here? I do make many posts on this board that do not sell anything, infact in three years, maybe more..I would guess that I have helped many on this board reading this...slinging.
Posting a rebutal to missleading information is certainly within the rights of anyone on this board. So, when I said it was the end, it is infact the end. You may not care, but this has gone on long enough, and to finally have someon that is very aware of the goings on, and has been there from the beginning..step in and tell pretty much "the story"..thats good enough for me.
K27w,
If your confidence "has been severly diminished" by the competition between two company's bantering thats your deal. Your free to buy product where you choose. I'm sorry to have lost any business you may provide, but the whole point of posting race results, or product updates is to show that we do indeed offer capable products and motors, we do use them ourselves, and they are good products that deliver.
As far as lengthy mudslinging threads, I agree, they are silly, but there are also times when you get worked up and finally say..enough is enough..."I'm posting what I think, screw the world" and at that time, I may have just made a mistake in a decision that will eventually pull others into the banter that that really do not deserve to be there, for that I am sorry..but I'm human, and you are also...I'm sure we have all had our times.
Anderson and Huntley.....the competition will continue, but it doesn't have to be presented in this manner anylonger. I will always post our results, good or bad, its racing...you can't win everytime out. We take great pride in the team we are building, we are very passionate about the sport (it shows), and will continue to incorporate our success into our product line. Thats what its reall all about isn't it?
Take Care!
Posting a rebutal to missleading information is certainly within the rights of anyone on this board. So, when I said it was the end, it is infact the end. You may not care, but this has gone on long enough, and to finally have someon that is very aware of the goings on, and has been there from the beginning..step in and tell pretty much "the story"..thats good enough for me.
K27w,
If your confidence "has been severly diminished" by the competition between two company's bantering thats your deal. Your free to buy product where you choose. I'm sorry to have lost any business you may provide, but the whole point of posting race results, or product updates is to show that we do indeed offer capable products and motors, we do use them ourselves, and they are good products that deliver.
As far as lengthy mudslinging threads, I agree, they are silly, but there are also times when you get worked up and finally say..enough is enough..."I'm posting what I think, screw the world" and at that time, I may have just made a mistake in a decision that will eventually pull others into the banter that that really do not deserve to be there, for that I am sorry..but I'm human, and you are also...I'm sure we have all had our times.
Anderson and Huntley.....the competition will continue, but it doesn't have to be presented in this manner anylonger. I will always post our results, good or bad, its racing...you can't win everytime out. We take great pride in the team we are building, we are very passionate about the sport (it shows), and will continue to incorporate our success into our product line. Thats what its reall all about isn't it?
Take Care!
12-12-2002, 11:01 AM
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I can echo the same. Anderson is too busy busting the ***** of Huntley to follow through with his offers, and Huntley is too busy pointing out how little Anderson knows to see that his buisness is falling into the earth.
Take a step back and see what this really has done for you guys. The my daddy can kick your daddy's *** topic has gone on so long that many of us don't care of you race yourselves off the edge of a cliff. Who would get there first? Huntley may break down, and Anderson would stop short to post about Huntley breaking down.
John, and since you just posted... no one said you should not post your race results. Post your times, fine, but the "Anderson Car is 2nd, and the Huntley car is on the trailer" is a shot. Post your time, then next week, post your time again. If you get faster, you improve, and customers will notice. See... my marketing 101 class was worth the 4 years of college it too me to pass it.
Take a step back and see what this really has done for you guys. The my daddy can kick your daddy's *** topic has gone on so long that many of us don't care of you race yourselves off the edge of a cliff. Who would get there first? Huntley may break down, and Anderson would stop short to post about Huntley breaking down.
John, and since you just posted... no one said you should not post your race results. Post your times, fine, but the "Anderson Car is 2nd, and the Huntley car is on the trailer" is a shot. Post your time, then next week, post your time again. If you get faster, you improve, and customers will notice. See... my marketing 101 class was worth the 4 years of college it too me to pass it.
12-12-2002, 11:12 AM
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[quote] Huntley may break down, and Anderson would stop short to post about Huntley breaking down.
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Haha.
I really don't care either way. I think it's somewhat comical. I laughed my head off at Huntley's response to John's original race post, because it was obvious the motivation for it (I wasted 2 mins of my life reading it). It was obvious he tried to cloak the truth. If I was John, I'd try to clear the record too, because I don't like misinformation. I don't think we should hold it against John for clearing up the truth.
Maybe in the OT forum?
Although...I love the scene in Unbreakable (GREAT movie) when the kid turns to Bruce Willis's son and says "My dad can beat your dad up." He just looks at him, knowing the truth. Maybe John should do that here?
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Haha.
I really don't care either way. I think it's somewhat comical. I laughed my head off at Huntley's response to John's original race post, because it was obvious the motivation for it (I wasted 2 mins of my life reading it). It was obvious he tried to cloak the truth. If I was John, I'd try to clear the record too, because I don't like misinformation. I don't think we should hold it against John for clearing up the truth.
Maybe in the OT forum?
Although...I love the scene in Unbreakable (GREAT movie) when the kid turns to Bruce Willis's son and says "My dad can beat your dad up." He just looks at him, knowing the truth. Maybe John should do that here?
-Matt
12-12-2002, 11:12 AM
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I haven't been around here long enough to understand the feud, but here's an idea... Let your racing do the talking - we know where to get results and we will eventually figure out if anyone is in fact stretching the truth. Just my $.02 <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
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This stuff makes me happier than ever that I swiched to a 928 I have found a few really good honest suppliers to buy my car stuff from. Of course they butt heads at times to but it stays pretty clean.
My impression of Huntley, from being on these boards three years as a 951 owner, is that they are not the epitome of an honest business. I never bought anything there.
While I wholeheartedly support getting the facts out, as John is doing. I think it can go too far. Don't worry John, most already know about Huntley. You seem to be running well and making a name for yourself as a good racer and engine builder etc. Force yourself to let Derrick burn his own bridges. Be the good guy, let it die <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" />
I have found a few really good honest suppliers to buy my car stuff from. Of course they butt heads at times to but it stays pretty clean.My impression of Huntley, from being on these boards three years as a 951 owner, is that they are not the epitome of an honest business. I never bought anything there.
While I wholeheartedly support getting the facts out, as John is doing. I think it can go too far. Don't worry John, most already know about Huntley. You seem to be running well and making a name for yourself as a good racer and engine builder etc. Force yourself to let Derrick burn his own bridges. Be the good guy, let it die <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" />
12-12-2002, 11:50 AM
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MR. Anderson,
If you had some financial involvment with Mr. John D. or in some way kept this board running, I don't think anybody would have a problem with you posting what you had.
The majority of the listers have posted many times which companies they trust and which companies have scammed them........ I dont understand why you want to make yourslef look bad. It's worse than "guilty by association" it actually IRRITATES people to read the first post of certain threads just because we know what will follow is TOTALLY USELESS.
But, by all means, Derrik and John, WE ALL would LOVE to see more pics of your projects and vehicles.... and time slips or records would be acceptable.
I'm starting to feel like you're more concerned with showing your former employer that you can run a better business..... than actually doing so.
Congrats on your race results
If you had some financial involvment with Mr. John D. or in some way kept this board running, I don't think anybody would have a problem with you posting what you had.
The majority of the listers have posted many times which companies they trust and which companies have scammed them........ I dont understand why you want to make yourslef look bad. It's worse than "guilty by association" it actually IRRITATES people to read the first post of certain threads just because we know what will follow is TOTALLY USELESS.
But, by all means, Derrik and John, WE ALL would LOVE to see more pics of your projects and vehicles.... and time slips or records would be acceptable.
I'm starting to feel like you're more concerned with showing your former employer that you can run a better business..... than actually doing so.
Congrats on your race results
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I know where I'm doing MY business in the future.
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It's a little obvious you guys are not in it for the love of the business or for the interest of the customers. Huntley and Anderson are by far the most immature business men that I know.
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It's a little obvious you guys are not in it for the love of the business or for the interest of the customers. Huntley and Anderson are by far the most immature business men that I know.