Rice explained.
11-21-2002, 09:40 PM
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I guess I see the point you guys are sending out, and I respect your opinions, but I will stick to my beliefs. My car was made to be upgraded, it's a sports car! It's a sports car that was built by a company that has a heritage taken directly from the racetrack and no where else. These civic family cars, these sentras, can run 10 quarter miles, but that's not what a sports car is. A sports car must also have a history behind it, a heritage that it follows. IMO a civic has never been, and never will be a sports car, no matter how much it's modded. That's my opinion, call me closed-minded, but that's what I believe. I guess I believe in true sports cars and nothing else. And this is just a side note, I have seen many turbo charged civics and other, they do not pose even the slightest challenge against my car.
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honestly, i don't care about the heritage of a true sports car or whatever else porsche people use to make our cars seem superior to newer, faster, better handling vehicles from across the other ocean. that's crap and it always has been.
bryan was making a point about legitimate import tuners, and i totally agree with him. when done properly, "all show" cars can be amazing to look at. and, most importantly, they do what they want to do well.
whan people here are talking about is the high school guy down the street with the hatchback trying to race all the time. i hate these guys as much as anyone, and that's that. there are a lot of wannabes out there, but the point here is the real deal can be very cool, very interesting, and a lot of fun.
and last, a "fartcan" as some of you say, is called a performance muffler in the rest of the civilized world. a tip on a stock muffler is just stupid, but if you put a free flow muffler on your car that is legit upgrade to pretty much anything. believe it or not, some people do that to their porsches!
bryan was making a point about legitimate import tuners, and i totally agree with him. when done properly, "all show" cars can be amazing to look at. and, most importantly, they do what they want to do well.
whan people here are talking about is the high school guy down the street with the hatchback trying to race all the time. i hate these guys as much as anyone, and that's that. there are a lot of wannabes out there, but the point here is the real deal can be very cool, very interesting, and a lot of fun.
and last, a "fartcan" as some of you say, is called a performance muffler in the rest of the civilized world. a tip on a stock muffler is just stupid, but if you put a free flow muffler on your car that is legit upgrade to pretty much anything. believe it or not, some people do that to their porsches!
11-21-2002, 11:20 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by megatron:
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The Porsche looks so much better than the other cars in this photo!
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</strong><hr></blockquote>The Porsche looks so much better than the other cars in this photo!
11-22-2002, 12:36 AM
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Just curious..Your car was made to be upgraded...
And other makes weren't?
Just confused....I figure, if I want to be a "purist" I will accept the car as the manufacturer built it, (complete with the Japenese A/C compressor and sound system). After all, they have done far more research into what stresses the transmission will take, what size wheels/tires will give optimum performance. If I am an innovator, I will experiment and see for myself. And, I will be willing to take the consequences when something breaks, like a clutch, a ring and pinion, a # 2 rod bearing and, of course the ever popular timing belt & head gasket.....
There are a number of makes that will make even the mighty 951 come in second in a two car contest, either straight line or on the track.. Granted, much of it involves the driver. Just don't be too surprised when something overtakes you and, unless you are totally crazy, is out of reach. No matter how fast or how agile you think your car is, there is at least one out there faster and nimbler (and it may be that Honda closing in on you right now.....)<G>
Cheers!!
Bob S
Just curious..Your car was made to be upgraded...
And other makes weren't?
Just confused....I figure, if I want to be a "purist" I will accept the car as the manufacturer built it, (complete with the Japenese A/C compressor and sound system). After all, they have done far more research into what stresses the transmission will take, what size wheels/tires will give optimum performance. If I am an innovator, I will experiment and see for myself. And, I will be willing to take the consequences when something breaks, like a clutch, a ring and pinion, a # 2 rod bearing and, of course the ever popular timing belt & head gasket.....
There are a number of makes that will make even the mighty 951 come in second in a two car contest, either straight line or on the track.. Granted, much of it involves the driver. Just don't be too surprised when something overtakes you and, unless you are totally crazy, is out of reach. No matter how fast or how agile you think your car is, there is at least one out there faster and nimbler (and it may be that Honda closing in on you right now.....)<G>
Cheers!!
Bob S
11-22-2002, 12:55 AM
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Heritage is neat and all, but...
Skyline GT-R's have character (and they're bombass in Gran turismo). RX-7's have character. MR2's have character. Supra's have character. NSXs have character. Celica GT4s have character. WRXs have character, and the Evo VII will too.
The WRX (the only above I've driven) isn't my bag, but that is certainly a respectable ride. I guess it's got "rally heritage" but it just ain't the same car. Doesn't need it.
VW flew on Hitler's wings...I'm still dying for a 16V GTI with the four round lights up front...
Skyline GT-R's have character (and they're bombass in Gran turismo). RX-7's have character. MR2's have character. Supra's have character. NSXs have character. Celica GT4s have character. WRXs have character, and the Evo VII will too.
The WRX (the only above I've driven) isn't my bag, but that is certainly a respectable ride. I guess it's got "rally heritage" but it just ain't the same car. Doesn't need it.
VW flew on Hitler's wings...I'm still dying for a 16V GTI with the four round lights up front...
11-22-2002, 03:36 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by The DareDevil:
<strong>The Porsche looks so much better than the other cars in this photo!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I'll take that as a compliment!
<strong>The Porsche looks so much better than the other cars in this photo!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I'll take that as a compliment!
11-22-2002, 11:02 AM
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I guess you guys don't understand what I'm saying. That's just my opinion, and yoyoguy, I don't think it's crap at all. It's anything but crap. Maybe the heritage doesn't mean anything to you, but it means something to me. I know there are many cars that can beat mine, that's not what I was trying to say. I think it's true that the guy's who were trying to make this a serious import scene actually had their own idea backfire. I'm sure what they see now is not what they intended. And the fact that they took regular everyday cars is the reason. If they wouldn't have used civics, and maybe they would have used more serious cars, then it would have been different. People would have taken them seriously. How come a modified Porsche is not considered rice and a suped up honda is? Because a honda is not a sports car. Now RX7's and Supras and skylines and mr2's are sports cars, they were born sports cars. They might have a little less heritage, but they were still born sports cars. I don't see anyone calling those cars ricers. Those are they only japanese cars that I consider sports cars. I may be wrong, but I think it's a fair opinion.
11-22-2002, 11:56 AM
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I think there is a bit o' confusion here....
Someone who owns X car and mods it to make it a "sports car", which PERFORMS like a sports car, is called a tuner - regardless of the car in question. If you take a Yugo and tune it correctly and make it a "sports car", then good for you!!
Someone who owns X car and mods it to "look" like a sports car, which performs unlike a sports car or worse than it did stock, is a Ricer - regardless of the make of car. If you pump noise-making add-on's, useless wings and cone filter on the car and act like you just tuned a Yugo into a Porsche, then bad for you.
Someone who puts neon lights under their car or glow-in-the-dark steering wheel covers isn't always a Ricer. They are definately not tuners. People who put huge stereos, lights, crazy paint jobs, and such on their cars are what I like to call........kids. Think about it...when you were 16 and you first got your license, you wanted to do everything you could to your/your parents car to make it "cool". This is not always Rice.
So, in summation - "Rice" is when people throw useless mods on their car - be it useless performance mods or useless esthetics (yes, there is such a thing). What I mean by "useless esthetics" is stickers, window banners, racing pedels, etc, etc......things that don't really make the car look better, but rather try and make it look like a race car or real "tuned" car.
So, now that we know what "Rice" is - let's continue to hate it and make fun of it....not because we own "superior" cars or because we are "superior" people - but rather just because the whole "Rice" movement is silly. Ricers are the Bell-bottoms of 2000. Ricers are the "Disco" of 2000. Ricers are the "New Coke" of 2000. Ricers are a group of people doing something that is "stupid" or a bad idea in the eyes of the majority.
Hating/disliking/making fun of a "Ricer" is not elitist. Is hating the Back Street Boys elitist? It's kinda the same thing. Remember all this next time you fry some Rice. Hey, we shouldn't hate Ricers as much as we do - remember, these are the guys who help make us look so damn good. These are the guys you can blow away in a straight or the twisties, just to feel better. These are the guys who take all the skanky, mall-chicks off our hands. Come to think of it - I LOVE Ricers!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
944S Boyeee
Someone who owns X car and mods it to make it a "sports car", which PERFORMS like a sports car, is called a tuner - regardless of the car in question. If you take a Yugo and tune it correctly and make it a "sports car", then good for you!!
Someone who owns X car and mods it to "look" like a sports car, which performs unlike a sports car or worse than it did stock, is a Ricer - regardless of the make of car. If you pump noise-making add-on's, useless wings and cone filter on the car and act like you just tuned a Yugo into a Porsche, then bad for you.
Someone who puts neon lights under their car or glow-in-the-dark steering wheel covers isn't always a Ricer. They are definately not tuners. People who put huge stereos, lights, crazy paint jobs, and such on their cars are what I like to call........kids. Think about it...when you were 16 and you first got your license, you wanted to do everything you could to your/your parents car to make it "cool". This is not always Rice.
So, in summation - "Rice" is when people throw useless mods on their car - be it useless performance mods or useless esthetics (yes, there is such a thing). What I mean by "useless esthetics" is stickers, window banners, racing pedels, etc, etc......things that don't really make the car look better, but rather try and make it look like a race car or real "tuned" car.
So, now that we know what "Rice" is - let's continue to hate it and make fun of it....not because we own "superior" cars or because we are "superior" people - but rather just because the whole "Rice" movement is silly. Ricers are the Bell-bottoms of 2000. Ricers are the "Disco" of 2000. Ricers are the "New Coke" of 2000. Ricers are a group of people doing something that is "stupid" or a bad idea in the eyes of the majority.
Hating/disliking/making fun of a "Ricer" is not elitist. Is hating the Back Street Boys elitist? It's kinda the same thing. Remember all this next time you fry some Rice. Hey, we shouldn't hate Ricers as much as we do - remember, these are the guys who help make us look so damn good. These are the guys you can blow away in a straight or the twisties, just to feel better. These are the guys who take all the skanky, mall-chicks off our hands. Come to think of it - I LOVE Ricers!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
944S Boyeee
11-22-2002, 12:29 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by megatron:
<strong><snip> What, it's my 968 with the hatch up so I can put my race Hoosiers back in after a day at the track.
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Megatron: Cool pic of your car and the RSX, Honda and the Nissan (methinks). Personally, I like it.
AND: I especially like it since after your explanation, I see that these cars were most likely playing on the track!
That puts your views into a whole different light to me: I don't have anything against imports or people to prep and drive their imports on the track: those who are into speed and know to "take it to the track." My definition of "RICE" excludes these people, regardless of what kinda wing or fart can they have on their car! I consider these performance mods as experimentation, and they are testing their changes on the track. (For those of you who beg to differ: if you've done some track driving, haven't you also experiemented with suspension and aerodynamics and engine mods? It's the same thing!)
Ricer's are the ones who:
-Race on the street and are into the whole streetracing scene
-Modify their car and don't understand that their 'mods' don't help
-Have an attitude and feel the need to take on the world at every stoplight.
Hope that makes sense,
-Z.
<strong><snip> What, it's my 968 with the hatch up so I can put my race Hoosiers back in after a day at the track.
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Megatron: Cool pic of your car and the RSX, Honda and the Nissan (methinks). Personally, I like it.
AND: I especially like it since after your explanation, I see that these cars were most likely playing on the track!
That puts your views into a whole different light to me: I don't have anything against imports or people to prep and drive their imports on the track: those who are into speed and know to "take it to the track." My definition of "RICE" excludes these people, regardless of what kinda wing or fart can they have on their car! I consider these performance mods as experimentation, and they are testing their changes on the track. (For those of you who beg to differ: if you've done some track driving, haven't you also experiemented with suspension and aerodynamics and engine mods? It's the same thing!)
Ricer's are the ones who:
-Race on the street and are into the whole streetracing scene
-Modify their car and don't understand that their 'mods' don't help
-Have an attitude and feel the need to take on the world at every stoplight.
Hope that makes sense,
-Z.
11-22-2002, 12:52 PM
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If it makes ya'll feel better to put people into predefined "boxes," then good for you.
Most people think they know what "rice" is when they see it. As perception plays a role, I see no point in arguing about what constitutes "rice."
I never understand why this topic keeps popping up in this forum. Something tells me it isn't as common on the 911/964/993/996 board. Elitist? Maybe. I could be wrong.
Anyway that's just my opinion. Flame away!
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Most people think they know what "rice" is when they see it. As perception plays a role, I see no point in arguing about what constitutes "rice."
I never understand why this topic keeps popping up in this forum. Something tells me it isn't as common on the 911/964/993/996 board. Elitist? Maybe. I could be wrong.
Anyway that's just my opinion. Flame away!
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11-22-2002, 01:04 PM
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I just like to laugh at them for dropping so much cash in their cars. Pure waste of money as I see it.
I always said that every Japanese car was a great copy of a successful American or European car. They don't innovate much of anything. Trust me, I know I used to work for them...
Nissan 350Z-Copy of Audi TT
Lexus-Copy of MB. BMW
Infinity-Copy of MB, BMW
New Altima-copy of VW Passat
WRX-Copy of Audi A4 Quattro
I'm not saying any of these are bad cars, because they are not. The Japanese build some of the most reliable cars in the world, but when they die, that's it, you junk them. A German car will go far longer, but require more maintenance.
As for the whole Rice thing? I see no reason to bolt on an 8' wing on a Civic that does nothing. It is just a fad. I want to discover the next fad and start making parts for whatever it is, then I can drive that 959 or Ferrari I have always dreamed of.
I always said that every Japanese car was a great copy of a successful American or European car. They don't innovate much of anything. Trust me, I know I used to work for them...
Nissan 350Z-Copy of Audi TT
Lexus-Copy of MB. BMW
Infinity-Copy of MB, BMW
New Altima-copy of VW Passat
WRX-Copy of Audi A4 Quattro
I'm not saying any of these are bad cars, because they are not. The Japanese build some of the most reliable cars in the world, but when they die, that's it, you junk them. A German car will go far longer, but require more maintenance.
As for the whole Rice thing? I see no reason to bolt on an 8' wing on a Civic that does nothing. It is just a fad. I want to discover the next fad and start making parts for whatever it is, then I can drive that 959 or Ferrari I have always dreamed of.
11-22-2002, 01:44 PM
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i didn't mean any offense to the racing history of porsche or anything, i understand that that's cool, and i agree it adds something to the car. i just can't see disregarding other excellent cars just because they don't come from a manufacturer who did a lot of racing 20 years ago. it doesn't make any sense to me, evaluate cars on what they are, not on what kind of similar cars from the same factory used to be.
11-22-2002, 09:56 PM
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The pussification of modern society continues.
Why some people feel the need to "defend" ricers is beyond me, although it kinda reminds me of the people who stated that 9/11/01 was our fault.
Where is your loyalty? I fell in love with Porsche at a very young age and decided I had to own one or five. My passion for the marque is based on heritage, history, and the emotion behind it. Others car manufacturers are just about numbers - PORSCHE is about SPIRIT! Sure there are other cars that corner harder, brake quicker, and accelerate faster, but they arent P-cars.
Its really simple - theres a combination of things that play into our (well... some of us anyway) dislike for ricers... the below should also clear up some things for those of you that dont understand why we feel this way.
1.) The Japanese COPIED the 924/944/968. Period. Thats why Porsche doesnt sell them anymore - Honda/Mazda/Toyota could do the 4 cyl sporty car cheaper.
2.) The attitude of a ricer is not respectful regardless of the car you drive. If you have a 2002 911 GT2, the Honda Civic with a 747 wing on the back of it will still stop next to you, rev his fart can and tell you your car is ****. Its how they measure their self worth. The ricer is not an automotive entusaist, his car is just another way for him to show everyone how much of a badass he is.
3.) Supras, Rx-7, Mr2's, 300ZX's, and Skylines are not rice, they are very capable performers, but they lack heritage (well, the Z's got heritage I suppose). Either way - these are NOT the cars we are discussing here, so you can get that out of your mind.
4.) If you didnt buy your car because of a love for Porsche, if you didnt buy it because of a love for the company's heritage, and if you didnt buy it because it was "better" (read: elitist purchase), why exactly did you buy it? It sounds like some of you would be just as happy in a Yugo.
5.) A "FART CAN" is a fart can. Exhaust is one thing, but you wont find an exhaust setup on a riceburner... youll find a muffler. Its good for what - 1/2, maybe 3/4 of a HP? But damn, it sure does sound fast, right? Rice.
6.) Finally - "RICE" is the "Illusion of speed" in my not so humble opinion (hey, Im still young, I can have opinions). A Civic that can spin lap times with a 951 is not rice - its a fast economy car that was made to perform well. Im betting the individual that pilots this fictional machine spent his money on function, not form. For this guy, I have a great deal of respect. I would also respect the guy that builds a "show" car. Something to "pimp around in" as they say... but when the "all show, no go" guy starts a fuss about how fast his car is... thats rice.
As a final lesson I offer the following secnario. This is a multiple choice question - only two choices...
Car one:
-1988 944 Turbo S-
Complete Coilover
Full race exhaust
Lightweight wheels
Slicks
bigger turbo
bigger intercooler
bigger brakes
rear airfoil
front splitter
carbon quarters
carbon hood
race glass
Car two:
-1997 Civic DX-
Chopped springs
Extra loud muffler
K&N Cone Filter
Heavy wheels
Rubber band tires
Fake drilled rotors
Useless wing
Complete body kit
Mirrior tint
Clear taillights
Black painted hood
Neon wheel lights
The owner of the 88 951S is a great guy - you talk about how to increase lap times between sessions - and when not at the track, he gives you a few waxing tips.
The Civic owner tells you your car is a peice of ****. He then challenges you to "race." Upon refusing, he calls you a ***** and begins making fun of your mother. Half of this you can barely understand because of his "racial confusion," but you are aware he is angry. Why? Youre not really sure, but your putting your money on him trying to impress a girl somewhere in the area with his Neanderthal ways.
Now... which one is rice? And who still doesnt understand why there are those of us who HATE them?
Why some people feel the need to "defend" ricers is beyond me, although it kinda reminds me of the people who stated that 9/11/01 was our fault.
Where is your loyalty? I fell in love with Porsche at a very young age and decided I had to own one or five. My passion for the marque is based on heritage, history, and the emotion behind it. Others car manufacturers are just about numbers - PORSCHE is about SPIRIT! Sure there are other cars that corner harder, brake quicker, and accelerate faster, but they arent P-cars.
Its really simple - theres a combination of things that play into our (well... some of us anyway) dislike for ricers... the below should also clear up some things for those of you that dont understand why we feel this way.
1.) The Japanese COPIED the 924/944/968. Period. Thats why Porsche doesnt sell them anymore - Honda/Mazda/Toyota could do the 4 cyl sporty car cheaper.
2.) The attitude of a ricer is not respectful regardless of the car you drive. If you have a 2002 911 GT2, the Honda Civic with a 747 wing on the back of it will still stop next to you, rev his fart can and tell you your car is ****. Its how they measure their self worth. The ricer is not an automotive entusaist, his car is just another way for him to show everyone how much of a badass he is.
3.) Supras, Rx-7, Mr2's, 300ZX's, and Skylines are not rice, they are very capable performers, but they lack heritage (well, the Z's got heritage I suppose). Either way - these are NOT the cars we are discussing here, so you can get that out of your mind.
4.) If you didnt buy your car because of a love for Porsche, if you didnt buy it because of a love for the company's heritage, and if you didnt buy it because it was "better" (read: elitist purchase), why exactly did you buy it? It sounds like some of you would be just as happy in a Yugo.
5.) A "FART CAN" is a fart can. Exhaust is one thing, but you wont find an exhaust setup on a riceburner... youll find a muffler. Its good for what - 1/2, maybe 3/4 of a HP? But damn, it sure does sound fast, right? Rice.
6.) Finally - "RICE" is the "Illusion of speed" in my not so humble opinion (hey, Im still young, I can have opinions). A Civic that can spin lap times with a 951 is not rice - its a fast economy car that was made to perform well. Im betting the individual that pilots this fictional machine spent his money on function, not form. For this guy, I have a great deal of respect. I would also respect the guy that builds a "show" car. Something to "pimp around in" as they say... but when the "all show, no go" guy starts a fuss about how fast his car is... thats rice.
As a final lesson I offer the following secnario. This is a multiple choice question - only two choices...
Car one:
-1988 944 Turbo S-
Complete Coilover
Full race exhaust
Lightweight wheels
Slicks
bigger turbo
bigger intercooler
bigger brakes
rear airfoil
front splitter
carbon quarters
carbon hood
race glass
Car two:
-1997 Civic DX-
Chopped springs
Extra loud muffler
K&N Cone Filter
Heavy wheels
Rubber band tires
Fake drilled rotors
Useless wing
Complete body kit
Mirrior tint
Clear taillights
Black painted hood
Neon wheel lights
The owner of the 88 951S is a great guy - you talk about how to increase lap times between sessions - and when not at the track, he gives you a few waxing tips.
The Civic owner tells you your car is a peice of ****. He then challenges you to "race." Upon refusing, he calls you a ***** and begins making fun of your mother. Half of this you can barely understand because of his "racial confusion," but you are aware he is angry. Why? Youre not really sure, but your putting your money on him trying to impress a girl somewhere in the area with his Neanderthal ways.
Now... which one is rice? And who still doesnt understand why there are those of us who HATE them?
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[quote]Originally posted by Stuttgart951:
<strong>The pussification of modern society continues.
Why some people feel the need to "defend" ricers is beyond me, although it kinda reminds me of the people who stated that 9/11/01 was our fault.
Where is your loyalty? I fell in love with Porsche at a very young age and decided I had to own one or five. My passion for the marque is based on heritage, history, and the emotion behind it. Others car manufacturers are just about numbers - PORSCHE is about SPIRIT! Sure there are other cars that corner harder, brake quicker, and accelerate faster, but they arent P-cars.
Its really simple - theres a combination of things that play into our (well... some of us anyway) dislike for ricers... the below should also clear up some things for those of you that dont understand why we feel this way.
1.) The Japanese COPIED the 924/944/968. Period. Thats why Porsche doesnt sell them anymore - Honda/Mazda/Toyota could do the 4 cyl sporty car cheaper.
2.) The attitude of a ricer is not respectful regardless of the car you drive. If you have a 2002 911 GT2, the Honda Civic with a 747 wing on the back of it will still stop next to you, rev his fart can and tell you your car is ****. Its how they measure their self worth. The ricer is not an automotive entusaist, his car is just another way for him to show everyone how much of a badass he is.
3.) Supras, Rx-7, Mr2's, 300ZX's, and Skylines are not rice, they are very capable performers, but they lack heritage (well, the Z's got heritage I suppose). Either way - these are NOT the cars we are discussing here, so you can get that out of your mind.
4.) If you didnt buy your car because of a love for Porsche, if you didnt buy it because of a love for the company's heritage, and if you didnt buy it because it was "better" (read: elitist purchase), why exactly did you buy it? It sounds like some of you would be just as happy in a Yugo.
5.) A "FART CAN" is a fart can. Exhaust is one thing, but you wont find an exhaust setup on a riceburner... youll find a muffler. Its good for what - 1/2, maybe 3/4 of a HP? But damn, it sure does sound fast, right? Rice.
6.) Finally - "RICE" is the "Illusion of speed" in my not so humble opinion (hey, Im still young, I can have opinions). A Civic that can spin lap times with a 951 is not rice - its a fast economy car that was made to perform well. Im betting the individual that pilots this fictional machine spent his money on function, not form. For this guy, I have a great deal of respect. I would also respect the guy that builds a "show" car. Something to "pimp around in" as they say... but when the "all show, no go" guy starts a fuss about how fast his car is... thats rice.
As a final lesson I offer the following secnario. This is a multiple choice question - only two choices...
Car one:
-1988 944 Turbo S-
Complete Coilover
Full race exhaust
Lightweight wheels
Slicks
bigger turbo
bigger intercooler
bigger brakes
rear airfoil
front splitter
carbon quarters
carbon hood
race glass
Car two:
-1997 Civic DX-
Chopped springs
Extra loud muffler
K&N Cone Filter
Heavy wheels
Rubber band tires
Fake drilled rotors
Useless wing
Complete body kit
Mirrior tint
Clear taillights
Black painted hood
Neon wheel lights
The owner of the 88 951S is a great guy - you talk about how to increase lap times between sessions - and when not at the track, he gives you a few waxing tips.
The Civic owner tells you your car is a peice of ****. He then challenges you to "race." Upon refusing, he calls you a ***** and begins making fun of your mother. Half of this you can barely understand because of his "racial confusion," but you are aware he is angry. Why? Youre not really sure, but your putting your money on him trying to impress a girl somewhere in the area with his Neanderthal ways.
Now... which one is rice? And who still doesnt understand why there are those of us who HATE them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Couldn't have said it better....
<strong>The pussification of modern society continues.
Why some people feel the need to "defend" ricers is beyond me, although it kinda reminds me of the people who stated that 9/11/01 was our fault.
Where is your loyalty? I fell in love with Porsche at a very young age and decided I had to own one or five. My passion for the marque is based on heritage, history, and the emotion behind it. Others car manufacturers are just about numbers - PORSCHE is about SPIRIT! Sure there are other cars that corner harder, brake quicker, and accelerate faster, but they arent P-cars.
Its really simple - theres a combination of things that play into our (well... some of us anyway) dislike for ricers... the below should also clear up some things for those of you that dont understand why we feel this way.
1.) The Japanese COPIED the 924/944/968. Period. Thats why Porsche doesnt sell them anymore - Honda/Mazda/Toyota could do the 4 cyl sporty car cheaper.
2.) The attitude of a ricer is not respectful regardless of the car you drive. If you have a 2002 911 GT2, the Honda Civic with a 747 wing on the back of it will still stop next to you, rev his fart can and tell you your car is ****. Its how they measure their self worth. The ricer is not an automotive entusaist, his car is just another way for him to show everyone how much of a badass he is.
3.) Supras, Rx-7, Mr2's, 300ZX's, and Skylines are not rice, they are very capable performers, but they lack heritage (well, the Z's got heritage I suppose). Either way - these are NOT the cars we are discussing here, so you can get that out of your mind.
4.) If you didnt buy your car because of a love for Porsche, if you didnt buy it because of a love for the company's heritage, and if you didnt buy it because it was "better" (read: elitist purchase), why exactly did you buy it? It sounds like some of you would be just as happy in a Yugo.
5.) A "FART CAN" is a fart can. Exhaust is one thing, but you wont find an exhaust setup on a riceburner... youll find a muffler. Its good for what - 1/2, maybe 3/4 of a HP? But damn, it sure does sound fast, right? Rice.
6.) Finally - "RICE" is the "Illusion of speed" in my not so humble opinion (hey, Im still young, I can have opinions). A Civic that can spin lap times with a 951 is not rice - its a fast economy car that was made to perform well. Im betting the individual that pilots this fictional machine spent his money on function, not form. For this guy, I have a great deal of respect. I would also respect the guy that builds a "show" car. Something to "pimp around in" as they say... but when the "all show, no go" guy starts a fuss about how fast his car is... thats rice.
As a final lesson I offer the following secnario. This is a multiple choice question - only two choices...
Car one:
-1988 944 Turbo S-
Complete Coilover
Full race exhaust
Lightweight wheels
Slicks
bigger turbo
bigger intercooler
bigger brakes
rear airfoil
front splitter
carbon quarters
carbon hood
race glass
Car two:
-1997 Civic DX-
Chopped springs
Extra loud muffler
K&N Cone Filter
Heavy wheels
Rubber band tires
Fake drilled rotors
Useless wing
Complete body kit
Mirrior tint
Clear taillights
Black painted hood
Neon wheel lights
The owner of the 88 951S is a great guy - you talk about how to increase lap times between sessions - and when not at the track, he gives you a few waxing tips.
The Civic owner tells you your car is a peice of ****. He then challenges you to "race." Upon refusing, he calls you a ***** and begins making fun of your mother. Half of this you can barely understand because of his "racial confusion," but you are aware he is angry. Why? Youre not really sure, but your putting your money on him trying to impress a girl somewhere in the area with his Neanderthal ways.
Now... which one is rice? And who still doesnt understand why there are those of us who HATE them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Couldn't have said it better....
