Phi1720

Other than tubing it as Juan suggested, turn the engine sideways & fender flare the hell out of it to make it an RR like the Festiva with Tarus SHO engine from the Grass Roots Motorsports $2004 challange? I know it'd never work. Especially with the transmission. But damn it would be sweet.

95Juan

holy **** that festiva is badass.

Phi1720

I though so too. Best part is the guy built it for under $2004 including the car and engine. He pulled the front motor, hacked apart the back of the car, and rolled the chasis up to a jackstand with the Yamaha SHO V8 on it and started fabricating motor mounts until it was in. Then just used sheet metal to make the fender flares and away you go! RR V8 power in a car at or under 2000lbs for $2000!

Here's the build site. ENJOY!
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-Scott
85.5 944
96 Mazda Miata

95Juan

i think that's the early V6 motor, not the later V8 motor


either way, i think the V6 put out 220hp, to the V8's 240 or 250.

that was a sign that the SHO was being phased out........



MAN, that's so f-cking COOL!!!

i would seriously buy that thing and drive it in autocrosses and stuff like that.

they coulda used the SHO front seats, though.

Phi1720

Good point on the V6. Oh well, its only a 20hp loss when you drop 2 cylinders.

I think the seats would have put him over the $2004 contest rules. But once the contest is over...

SoCal924,
Take notes & prep your Viper motor for the 924!
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-Scott
85.5 944
96 Mazda Miata

DDP

Did Bob give you a ride? If not...you missed out...

JimV8

I keep going back and forth on the SBC conversion and I guess it will come down to when I lease new space for the business and it will have to be an 87 and up Turbo, at least a car with M030 and it has to be bright orange to celebrate my Dutchness and I will have to get 600 HP out of the motor and it will be entered into Targa Newfoundland, if they're still running it when the project gets done. In the meantime I'll keep saying , 944 great little handler, 'Scotty.. we need more Pwer'.

SoCal924

See. thats using your head

Theres a dude on honda-tech that has a mid engine teg with an H22 and trans sitting in there like they do in front, he used a front clip welded inside the back of the teg, its super trick...

I've always wanted to marry the AWD honda wagon with the honda CRX.... The track width is the same and the rear suspension is really close, it would be a matter of a couple mounts, shorten drive shaft, weld viscous coupling and install cable shifter. I would do a D16 ZC DOHC w/a turbo hahaha.

I guess we're all just weird. I like to DRIVE, I wanna haul ***, turn, stop...thats it. I don't care how I get it to do that. If I could haul *** turn and stop with a ford flat head and the rear suspension from a renault and the front clip form a subaru I would hahaha.

My dad suggested a Turbo J22 Subie motor... Pancake 4 hahaha


J

SoCal924

Man, you weren't kidding...these guys are hardcore... I like :evil:

http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=6134


Thats what I had in mind to do with the DSM diff, basically...altho my subframe won't look like a 6yr old made it hahaha. But hey I give the dude mad props, thats gonna be a sick RX7... The jap 924 ya know.


J

Phi1720

Ya I love Grass Roots Motorsports. Hands down my favorite magazine. They have big hard-ons for 944's and Miata's too. Which is perfect for me. (See Sig)
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-Scott
85.5 944
96 Mazda Miata

95Juan

the V8 swaps into rx7's are big.

i prefer the look of the FB's with a widebody, or the FD's.

my friend almost bought an SA22/FB (cant remember) with a 302 in it.

but that all fell through.....

SoCal924

I dunno how "intimate" you are with the 944 family, but if you look at those stripped RX7 interior shots, its REALLY close to being a 924 knock off...

I dunno how many times Ive been asked what year my RX-7 is

IMHO if Mazda had done IRS on the early bodies it woulda been a killer car... I like the 2nd Gen cars too but the old ones have that "look" like the '24...

Kewl site...Im glad y'all dig this stuff too, Ive owned a 944NA, 924NA, 931, and a 951 (briefly, 2 days..666 vin..bad) Ive driven them all, so I wanted to play with a new motor...


J

Porschefile

I think an Sr20 in a 944 would make for an awesome car, especially for track use as it's very light and compact. I'm half considering building one sometime next year as it's still a turbo 4cyl (V8's are not my cup of tea, but they're still cool) but the hp/$ ratio is very enticing. It's lighter, not too tall and can be placed farther back in the engine bay, so it could possibly lower the center of gravity, but at the least most of the weight would be towards the center of the car. Not to mention it would free up a HELL of alot of room in the engine bay, be cheap and easy to maintain, reliable as hell, and has a HUGE aftermarket following. Don't get me wrong, I love our cars and Porsches in general to death, though everyone has to admit it would be pretty damn nice to have a 944 that is just easy to work on, cheap to upgrade, can make tons of hp reliably, and has HUGE aftermarket support.

You know, I've actually spent a ton of time pricing out an Sr20det swap with a
"VET" conversion (variable intake/exhaust cam) as well as a 3.0l 16v built/sleeved turbo 968 motor. For a fully built long block, manifolds, GT series turbo setup, and an AEM standalone for each, the Sr20vet would cost ~$9000 and a 3.0l 16v would be like $15k+. Here's the kicker, an sr20vet with the mods on that budget would rev to 9500rpm and be good for 600-700rwhp depending on the turbo setup.

As far as turbo I6's go, it would probably be a better idea to do a 2jzgte from a Supra. There is a ton more US support for those motors as compared to the Rb series. Don't get me wrong, the Rb motors are very cool. As a matter of fact, I actually have 2 Rb26's in my garage right now (well 1.5 Rb26's to be exact, don't ask). There really isn't any point with the Rb20 as it's heavy and doesn't make as much power compared to it's weight. These motors have cast iron blocks and are ungodly heavy! Apparently a fully dressed Rb26 with accessories and tranny are ~600-650lbs! Even without the tranny that is still ~500-550lbs which would be adding a significant amount of weight farther forward and higher up, so not exactly ideal for performance. At least with a 2jz that weight increase comes with added torque.

Lastly let me say that the Rb26 owns all! One need look no farther then this guy's website to see why: Exvitermini

Movies
The Real Ultimate Power Keep in mind these are street cars (that's one of the RH9 rules) and on radials, no slicks.

SoCal924

That was my thinking with the 4G swap... Good response, and lets see some pics of your RBs


J

lapex

i was at 944fest this year in my LS1 powered 944. Will include some pics. Bought the car to compliment the 993 and immediately began the conversion. the car had 198k on it so pretty much the whole car had to be upgraded. Pretty happy with it. Its great fun to drive. I was afraid it would handle like a big heavy firebird or camaro, but it does fine on the track. Still limited by the strictly manual brakes but I am researching an electrically boosted master cylinder that should get my stopping power back to par with the 993.