Passing cars on twisted roads - 944S2 vs 951. Best method in S2?
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Originally Posted by baldheadracing
Yeah, there was a big deal made over it a couple of years ago here (Ontario, Canada). At the time somebody published a list of North American jurisdictions where it was advisory, where it was mandatory, and where you'd get a ticket for dangerous driving (or similar) for ignoring the advisory. (You may not make a distinction between the latter two cases, but there is a distinction, as in one case it would be illegal to make a left hand turn over a double-yellow, and in the other case it isn't.) I didn't bookmark it, but I do remember being surprised that passing on the double yellow was only advisory in places in the US/Canada, contrary to what I was taught in driver's ed. ("Though shalt not passeth over the double yellow.")
Anyhow, as I said, YMMV, check with your local authorities, etc. etc.. I'm not recommending the practice by any means, although I do it all the time on two lane roads that I travel on regularly (it is advisory in Ontario). Then again, I almost always exceed yellow-posted speed limits (again, advisory in Ontario), and usually exceed the (white-posted) speed limit when passing (which also may or may not be legal in your jurisdiction, etc. etc.)
When it comes to traffic laws, there are no absolutes in either Canada or the US. Rules can be enacted at the county level. I can never remember where right turns on red are allowed, or not; or passing on the right is allowed, or not; and/or passing a left-turning car on the left is allowed, or not. Roundabouts are even more confusing.
Anyhow, as I said, YMMV, check with your local authorities, etc. etc.. I'm not recommending the practice by any means, although I do it all the time on two lane roads that I travel on regularly (it is advisory in Ontario). Then again, I almost always exceed yellow-posted speed limits (again, advisory in Ontario), and usually exceed the (white-posted) speed limit when passing (which also may or may not be legal in your jurisdiction, etc. etc.)
When it comes to traffic laws, there are no absolutes in either Canada or the US. Rules can be enacted at the county level. I can never remember where right turns on red are allowed, or not; or passing on the right is allowed, or not; and/or passing a left-turning car on the left is allowed, or not. Roundabouts are even more confusing.
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Nope, a double yellow line has to be considered none crossable (is that a word). It can be imagined like a wall.
Originally Posted by 95Juan
you can cross the double yellow to enter a business or residence on the opposite side of the road, i believe.
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but for passing, that's a
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Originally Posted by 95Juan
you can cross the double yellow to enter a business or residence on the opposite side of the road, i believe.
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yes, yes i would.
DOUBLE double yellow lines are considered a barrier, and cannot be crossed.
regular double yellows can be crossed when entering a business or residence on the left hand side of the road, and to make a U-turn i believe when it is safe (can see for 200 feet (or is it meters?))
PG 23 in the california driver's handbook.
not sure what it is in other states, but i'm sure it's on a similar page.......
DOUBLE double yellow lines are considered a barrier, and cannot be crossed.
regular double yellows can be crossed when entering a business or residence on the left hand side of the road, and to make a U-turn i believe when it is safe (can see for 200 feet (or is it meters?))
PG 23 in the california driver's handbook.
not sure what it is in other states, but i'm sure it's on a similar page.......
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612 wharf avenue, isnt that next to mellon shakers- athf ASSEMBLE!
as far as passing and all that is concerened i have a different view- the rules of the road like any other rule is optional. u can play it safe and hang back or you can be suicidal and ride bumper. i do a bit of both depending on my mood and what road im on. and if im in 5th i usually dont downshif past fourth, thats usually all i need to get round someone. i dont like to redline anything i drive so my speed is limited to what the tach shows. also considering ive lost my license 3x im a little more conservative.
as far as passing and all that is concerened i have a different view- the rules of the road like any other rule is optional. u can play it safe and hang back or you can be suicidal and ride bumper. i do a bit of both depending on my mood and what road im on. and if im in 5th i usually dont downshif past fourth, thats usually all i need to get round someone. i dont like to redline anything i drive so my speed is limited to what the tach shows. also considering ive lost my license 3x im a little more conservative.
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Originally Posted by 95Juan
yes, yes i would.
DOUBLE double yellow lines are considered a barrier, and cannot be crossed.
regular double yellows can be crossed when entering a business or residence on the left hand side of the road, and to make a U-turn i believe when it is safe (can see for 200 feet (or is it meters?))
PG 23 in the california driver's handbook.
not sure what it is in other states, but i'm sure it's on a similar page.......![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
DOUBLE double yellow lines are considered a barrier, and cannot be crossed.
regular double yellows can be crossed when entering a business or residence on the left hand side of the road, and to make a U-turn i believe when it is safe (can see for 200 feet (or is it meters?))
PG 23 in the california driver's handbook.
not sure what it is in other states, but i'm sure it's on a similar page.......
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Originally Posted by Ca. vehicle code
Double Lines
21460. (a) When double parallel solid lines are in place,
no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof,
except as permitted in this section.
(b) When the double parallel lines, one of which is broken,
are in place, no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left
thereof, except as follows:
(1) That the driver on that side of the roadway in which
the broken line is in place may cross over the double line or
drive to the left thereof when overtaking or passing other
vehicles.
(2) As provided in Section 21460.5.
(c) Either of the markings as specified in subdivision (a) or
(b) does not prohibit a driver from crossing the marking when
(1) turning to the left at any intersection or into or out of a
driveway or private road, or (2) making a U-turn under the
rules governing that turn, and either of the markings shall be
disregarded when authorized signs have been erected
designating offcenter traffic lanes as permitted under Section
21657.
(d) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate
painted lines described in this section when the markers are
placed in accordance with standards established by the
Department of Transportation.
Amended Ch. 462, Stats. 1984. Effective January 1, 1985.
Two-Way Left-Turn Lanes
21460.5. (a) The Department of Transportation and
local authorities in their respective jurisdictions may
designate a two-way left-turn lane on a highway. A two-way
left-turn lane is a lane near the center of the highway set
aside for use by vehicles making left turns in both directions
from or into the highway.
(b) Two-way left-turn lanes shall be designated by
distinctive roadway markings consisting of parallel double
yellow lines, interior line dashed and exterior line solid, on
each side of the lane. The Department of Transportation may
determine and prescribe standards and specifications
governing length, width, and positioning of the distinctive
pavement markings. All pavement markings designating a
two-way left-turn lane shall conform to the Department of
Transportation’s standards and specifications.
(c) A vehicle shall not be driven in a designated two-way
left-turn lane except when preparing for or making a left turn
from or into a highway or when preparing for or making a Uturn
when otherwise permitted by law, and shall not be
driven in that lane for more than 200 feet while preparing for
and making the turn or while preparing to merge into the
adjacent lanes of travel. A left turn or U-turn shall not be
made from any other lane where a two-way left-turn lane has
been designated.
(d) This section shall not prohibit driving across a twoway
left-turn lane.
(e) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate
painted lines described in this section when such markers are
placed in accordance with standards established by the
Department of Transportation.
Amended Ch. 232, Stats. 1990. Effective January 1, 1991.
21460. (a) When double parallel solid lines are in place,
no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof,
except as permitted in this section.
(b) When the double parallel lines, one of which is broken,
are in place, no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left
thereof, except as follows:
(1) That the driver on that side of the roadway in which
the broken line is in place may cross over the double line or
drive to the left thereof when overtaking or passing other
vehicles.
(2) As provided in Section 21460.5.
(c) Either of the markings as specified in subdivision (a) or
(b) does not prohibit a driver from crossing the marking when
(1) turning to the left at any intersection or into or out of a
driveway or private road, or (2) making a U-turn under the
rules governing that turn, and either of the markings shall be
disregarded when authorized signs have been erected
designating offcenter traffic lanes as permitted under Section
21657.
(d) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate
painted lines described in this section when the markers are
placed in accordance with standards established by the
Department of Transportation.
Amended Ch. 462, Stats. 1984. Effective January 1, 1985.
Two-Way Left-Turn Lanes
21460.5. (a) The Department of Transportation and
local authorities in their respective jurisdictions may
designate a two-way left-turn lane on a highway. A two-way
left-turn lane is a lane near the center of the highway set
aside for use by vehicles making left turns in both directions
from or into the highway.
(b) Two-way left-turn lanes shall be designated by
distinctive roadway markings consisting of parallel double
yellow lines, interior line dashed and exterior line solid, on
each side of the lane. The Department of Transportation may
determine and prescribe standards and specifications
governing length, width, and positioning of the distinctive
pavement markings. All pavement markings designating a
two-way left-turn lane shall conform to the Department of
Transportation’s standards and specifications.
(c) A vehicle shall not be driven in a designated two-way
left-turn lane except when preparing for or making a left turn
from or into a highway or when preparing for or making a Uturn
when otherwise permitted by law, and shall not be
driven in that lane for more than 200 feet while preparing for
and making the turn or while preparing to merge into the
adjacent lanes of travel. A left turn or U-turn shall not be
made from any other lane where a two-way left-turn lane has
been designated.
(d) This section shall not prohibit driving across a twoway
left-turn lane.
(e) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate
painted lines described in this section when such markers are
placed in accordance with standards established by the
Department of Transportation.
Amended Ch. 232, Stats. 1990. Effective January 1, 1991.
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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl600.pdf
pg 23-
Two solid yellow lines mean no passing. Never drive to th left of these lines unless you are:
-Turning left at an intersection
-Turning into or out of a private road or driveway
-In a carpool lane that has a designated entrance on the left
-Instructed to drive on the other side of the road because your side is blocked.
that's what i was saying, if i'm going on a 2-lane road, and there's a double yellow, and my house, or a mcdonalds is on the left hand side, assuming there's no traffic, i can make a left turn.
out on the further reaches of Florin road, there's a house near the top of a hill, if you're coming out of the house, you can see both ends, but there's a double yellow line in front. god forbid you want to go left, cuz you'll be stuck going a mile down the other way to try and make a u-turn somewhere.
Edit- PCH has lots of situations like this. double yellow, and gas station or eatery on the left, or double yellow and beach entrance on the left.
and the part i bolded is what i was saying in the first place, and seems to be perfectly legal in the guidelines.
pg 23-
Two solid yellow lines mean no passing. Never drive to th left of these lines unless you are:
-Turning left at an intersection
-Turning into or out of a private road or driveway
-In a carpool lane that has a designated entrance on the left
-Instructed to drive on the other side of the road because your side is blocked.
that's what i was saying, if i'm going on a 2-lane road, and there's a double yellow, and my house, or a mcdonalds is on the left hand side, assuming there's no traffic, i can make a left turn.
out on the further reaches of Florin road, there's a house near the top of a hill, if you're coming out of the house, you can see both ends, but there's a double yellow line in front. god forbid you want to go left, cuz you'll be stuck going a mile down the other way to try and make a u-turn somewhere.
Edit- PCH has lots of situations like this. double yellow, and gas station or eatery on the left, or double yellow and beach entrance on the left.
and the part i bolded is what i was saying in the first place, and seems to be perfectly legal in the guidelines.
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I conceed that in this case you are correct, you can cross the line. However, McD's might not be considered a private road/driveway. On a busy road traffic in and out of a private drive is a lot different than folks zooming in/out of the grease pit.
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Originally Posted by 95Juan
i dunno, i'll have to ask a CHP officer next time i get stopped. ![hiha](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
(please, God dont let me get stopped anytime soon..........
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(please, God dont let me get stopped anytime soon..........
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Doh! Now you jinxed yourself! Happens every time I say I have gotten a ticket in X number of years. Awww Damit! Double jinx!
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Originally Posted by 95Juan
must
not
drive
951
until
unjinxed..........![banghead](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/banghead.gif)
not
drive
951
until
unjinxed..........
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