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Old 07-05-2006, 04:52 PM
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Default Timing belt tensioner failed, 8 bent valves

Last weekend while on my way to an autox my engine decided to self destruct. The tensioner managed to back out of the block and all 8 of my valves nailed the pistons. The failuer happened at just 2K rpm leaving a stop light, there was a gas station 100 ft away that I coasted into after killing the engine but the damage was done. I'll have pics up this weekend of the damage, but in the mean time does anyone have a good condition na 2.5L head they'd be willing to sell?

Also while I'm at it my clutch is the original rubber center and while it looks good with no cracks I would like to replace it with a spring centered one. Hopefully someone has a slightly used one of those I can pick up.
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Buy a new clutch you damn fool.
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this is what mine looked like
a couple things, First it ONLY bent 4 of my valves-the intakes. Second it only cost me $180 for the machine shop. I bought the parts and dropped them off, they pulled the old ones, installed new ones, reset them, resurfaced head, they had to weld and mill, etc..... So, forget a new head just get er done!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSC...QQcmdZViewItem
heres one on e-bay
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Originally Posted by zoltan944
this is what mine looked like
a couple things, First it ONLY bent 4 of my valves-the intakes. Second it only cost me $180 for the machine shop. I bought the parts and dropped them off, they pulled the old ones, installed new ones, reset them, resurfaced head, they had to weld and mill, etc..... So, forget a new head just get er done!

Wow, those are some of the most bent valves I have seen!

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Originally Posted by thor455400
Thanks for the link, now i would just really like to get my hands on a used spring centered clutch.
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why used? brand new is less than $400
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Originally Posted by wizkid918
why used? brand new is less than $400
Exactly
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Can someone tell me again why timing belts are a good idea?

I know belts are less costly and quieter than chains, but wtf???

Oh, and whats the advantage of an interference engine or a non-interference type?
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I can get you a new spring centered disc for $275 if you end up going new.
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Originally Posted by formerGMguy
Can someone tell me again why timing belts are a good idea?

I know belts are less costly and quieter than chains, but wtf???

Oh, and whats the advantage of an interference engine or a non-interference type?
I think it has to do with thermal expansion & stretching. A chain couldn't accommodate the amount of expansion an all-aluminum engine undergoes.
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There are plenty of aluminum engines that use chains, that is not the issue. A chain transfers harmonics from the crankshaft into the head/other way around and causes all kinds of problems. A chain tensioner can have all the same problems as the timing belt tensioner, I would argue that they are usually even less reliable. This failure was due to the timing belt tensioner stud breaking, not the belt itself, which was still intact this time.
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Ask the 911 guys (at least SC and earlier) how wonderful chains and chain tensioners are.
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Interference allows for higher compression ratios.

My brother's VW is non-interference. His timing belt skipped 7 teeth last month, so we just slapped on a new belt. But the thing only has like 110hp.
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Early 928 where non-interference....and some on this board are making their 44/51's non.


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