924 & 944 spec racing!
07-01-2006, 02:25 PM
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924 & 944 spec racing!
If any of you have not seen this site, you should check it out.
I would go to these two sites:
http://www.944spec.com/
http://www.comeauracing.com
This looks like an absolute blast! :thumgup:
Driving for the love of it...does it get any better?
I would go to these two sites:
http://www.944spec.com/
http://www.comeauracing.com
This looks like an absolute blast! :thumgup:
Driving for the love of it...does it get any better?
07-01-2006, 02:30 PM
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on the east coast we have the 944 cup 
look at www.944cup.com
thats where I'll be once i get my licence
look at www.944cup.com
thats where I'll be once i get my licence
07-01-2006, 03:22 PM
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If any of you have not seen this site, you should check it out.
I witnessed the 944 Spec race at California Speedway in March of this year in the pouring rain. Great bunch of guys and really close, exciting action. It was enough inspiration for me to buy an '88 924S and build it up for spec racing (ETA Summer 2007)
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'01 GTi 1.8T
07-03-2006, 03:12 AM
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SS S2, you can use a 924S... it's basically a 944 NA without the flares. a regular 924 wouldn't work. it's got about 90 HP, and it's a 2.0 L engine.
07-03-2006, 12:00 PM
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as you can see, I am new to their fourm. I am seriously contimplaing doing this, but need to learn more.
Geoff, what cars are most people using? Any differences that are sugnificant?
Due to my size, I will need all the car I can put under me. I want to have fun, but I don't want to be looking at tail lights all day!
What else can you enlighten me on, or tell me about the series from your point of view? I am in California.
Geoff, what cars are most people using? Any differences that are sugnificant?
Due to my size, I will need all the car I can put under me. I want to have fun, but I don't want to be looking at tail lights all day!
What else can you enlighten me on, or tell me about the series from your point of view? I am in California.
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07-03-2006, 02:19 PM
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Well, first off, I need to change my sig... I'm no longer the 944 spec regional director... I stepped down due to time constraints... Here are the rules for the cars according to the official rule book
1 Definition and Claim
The Porsche 944™-924S™ spec class will be a class for those individuals that wish to
race a Porsche in a competitive series with limited expense and low cost of operation.
These rules are intended to control costs and reduce any performance advantage from
the cars so that driving ability and race setup are the greatest factors in determining
winners. The following are approved and disapproved items for the class. The spirit of
the class is for all cars to be equal in weight and horsepower and be competitive with one
another. The focus will be on driver ability and not dollar ability. This class is not
intended to be an engine builder or innovator’s class.
The mark Porsche is recognized as registered to Porsche Cars North America with the
United States Trademark and Patent Office.
General Rules
2.1 Parts
All parts must be factory stock from one of the eligible year models, except where
otherwise noted.
2.2 Parts Update/Backdate
Stock parts may be updated or backdated, except where otherwise noted.
2.3 Allowed Modifications
In general, modifications which improve aesthetics, access to systems, safety or
reliability will be allowed and encouraged provided they offer no performance
advantage whatsoever. Any such modification not specifically allowed elsewhere in
these rules must receive prior approval of the Series Director. The final decision will be
at the sole discretion of the Series Director.
Format
These rules are not intended as guidelines; rather they shall serve as the complete set of
rules, and must be strictly followed. The Region is responsible for ensuring that allAll rules and regulations disputes will be resolved by the Series Director, or per the
Executive Director per the Club Codes and Regulations© (CCR).
Eligible Models
1983-1988 Porsche 944, Normally Aspirated, 2479 cc engine
1987-1988 Porsche 924S, 2479 cc engine
as for the weight of the vehicle, there is a limit for minimum weight of the driver and vehicle combined
so, providing you get into a 924S or 944, you can strip it out, and lighten it by removing any interior bits... can't change sheet metal, but you can change out the windows to Lexan... door windows only. but, if the car weighs less than 2600 pounds, you'll need to add weight. it's purely just to make it fair. as for engine modifications? don't even think about it. it's a racing class, not an engine builder's class. the ONLY things you can change are:
-Exhaust
-intake
-throttle cam
you can't even chip the car. each car should have around 146 HP while racing 944spec. basically suspension is the thing you want to toy with. you can get the official rule book at www.944spec.com in a pdf format. good luck!
Originally Posted by 944spec official rule book
1 Definition and Claim
The Porsche 944™-924S™ spec class will be a class for those individuals that wish to
race a Porsche in a competitive series with limited expense and low cost of operation.
These rules are intended to control costs and reduce any performance advantage from
the cars so that driving ability and race setup are the greatest factors in determining
winners. The following are approved and disapproved items for the class. The spirit of
the class is for all cars to be equal in weight and horsepower and be competitive with one
another. The focus will be on driver ability and not dollar ability. This class is not
intended to be an engine builder or innovator’s class.
The mark Porsche is recognized as registered to Porsche Cars North America with the
United States Trademark and Patent Office.
General Rules
2.1 Parts
All parts must be factory stock from one of the eligible year models, except where
otherwise noted.
2.2 Parts Update/Backdate
Stock parts may be updated or backdated, except where otherwise noted.
2.3 Allowed Modifications
In general, modifications which improve aesthetics, access to systems, safety or
reliability will be allowed and encouraged provided they offer no performance
advantage whatsoever. Any such modification not specifically allowed elsewhere in
these rules must receive prior approval of the Series Director. The final decision will be
at the sole discretion of the Series Director.
Format
These rules are not intended as guidelines; rather they shall serve as the complete set of
rules, and must be strictly followed. The Region is responsible for ensuring that allAll rules and regulations disputes will be resolved by the Series Director, or per the
Executive Director per the Club Codes and Regulations© (CCR).
Eligible Models
1983-1988 Porsche 944, Normally Aspirated, 2479 cc engine
1987-1988 Porsche 924S, 2479 cc engine
Originally Posted by rule book again
10.1 Minimum - Vehicle
Minimum weight requirements must be met immediately following all qualifying
sessions and races. The car including driver must weigh at least 2600 pounds. This
weight limit may be met by removal of any component not specifically disallowed or
which would compromise the safety of the car. Batteries may be swapped for a lighter
type but must be securely mounted in the stock location. Lexan may be substituted for
window glass only in the doors.
Minimum weight requirements must be met immediately following all qualifying
sessions and races. The car including driver must weigh at least 2600 pounds. This
weight limit may be met by removal of any component not specifically disallowed or
which would compromise the safety of the car. Batteries may be swapped for a lighter
type but must be securely mounted in the stock location. Lexan may be substituted for
window glass only in the doors.
-Exhaust
-intake
-throttle cam
you can't even chip the car. each car should have around 146 HP while racing 944spec. basically suspension is the thing you want to toy with. you can get the official rule book at www.944spec.com in a pdf format. good luck!
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one more thing SS... the ONLY difference between the 924S and the early 944 is the fender flares. there is no significant advantage of either car... I personally would use a 944 if I had one. with the fender flares, you can fit the 15x7's in without hassle, whereas in SOME 924S, the fenders must be rolled to allow clearance.
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Can you run spacers in the '44 to fill out the fenders, or is it a wash? I'd think that you could run more track with the '44 (you definitely can in IT), making the 44 a preferred mount unless you're running Daytona or a similar high-speed track... 
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The maximum track width for all cars shall not exceed the stock 944 width of 58.1
inches in the front and 57.1 inches in the rear. The 924S models may increase stock
width by use of updating suspension components or adding spacers provided tires do
not touch the fenders or springs at any point in the suspension travel.
inches in the front and 57.1 inches in the rear. The 924S models may increase stock
width by use of updating suspension components or adding spacers provided tires do
not touch the fenders or springs at any point in the suspension travel.
07-03-2006, 02:48 PM
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I've been keeping an eye on that series. When I get my track-flogger 944, I'll likely build it up to those specs so I can race it in that class should I desire (or sell it as such). I've even got the paint scheme figured out... Getting ahead of myself much???
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07-03-2006, 03:03 PM
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Getting ahead of myself much???
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07-03-2006, 03:06 PM
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The sad thing is that I don't plan on actually racing it, at least not competitively. But part of me wants to race it just so I can use this scheme, which would be out of place on a street car.
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Geoff, If I remember right, I thought I read that you can use an aftermarket tuner chip.
Also, the rules say any 2496cc 944 - 924S. So the 944s is out, right?
Would there be any year that is better to use in the 944? I know the 85.5 and 86 wiring harness is a little less complicated, but I don't know of any other issues.
Could this be the kind of car that you "run what you brung" or should they trailered to the track?
Lastly, what do you think (realistically) it would cost to somewhat build and run a car? Forget the cost of the car, as that can be a tricky variable.
Damn, I have some many questions and really want to do this!
Also, the rules say any 2496cc 944 - 924S. So the 944s is out, right?
Would there be any year that is better to use in the 944? I know the 85.5 and 86 wiring harness is a little less complicated, but I don't know of any other issues.
Could this be the kind of car that you "run what you brung" or should they trailered to the track?
Lastly, what do you think (realistically) it would cost to somewhat build and run a car? Forget the cost of the car, as that can be a tricky variable.
Damn, I have some many questions and really want to do this!