944S, 951, or 968?
#1
944S, 951, or 968?
I've been doing a lot of research on these models and would like to get some real world experience from Porsche owners on what they feel would be the best one to own.
From what I have gathered, they all seem to be pretty good on fuel economy, and I'm assuming they all handle very well. I do question somewhat the purchase of a turbo when the 968 has almost as much HP. Are there any substantial differences in reliability or maintenance costs between them? I was planning on spending around $15,000 for one and would probably put on around 5 to 10 thousand miles annually. I've also considered a Nissan 300zx that could probably be found somewhat cheaper but these cars have more bells & whistles on them if you know what I mean.
I'm currently leaning towards a 968 because of the refinement of the series but open to all suggestions.
I know this is a pretty subjective question but would appreciate any info or knowledge you could share.
From what I have gathered, they all seem to be pretty good on fuel economy, and I'm assuming they all handle very well. I do question somewhat the purchase of a turbo when the 968 has almost as much HP. Are there any substantial differences in reliability or maintenance costs between them? I was planning on spending around $15,000 for one and would probably put on around 5 to 10 thousand miles annually. I've also considered a Nissan 300zx that could probably be found somewhat cheaper but these cars have more bells & whistles on them if you know what I mean.
I'm currently leaning towards a 968 because of the refinement of the series but open to all suggestions.
I know this is a pretty subjective question but would appreciate any info or knowledge you could share.
#3
For everyday driving, the 968 is probably going to be your best choice.
For decent tooling around town with the occasional hair raising backroad hooligan slalom, definitely the 951. There is no substitute for turbo boost.
For decent tooling around town with the occasional hair raising backroad hooligan slalom, definitely the 951. There is no substitute for turbo boost.
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#8
It all depends on what you want & are willing to spend. The lower on the scale, the more 'spartan' the car (lighter, less hp, less refinement, cheaper), the higher on the scale the more refined (heavier, more hp, very refined, more expensive). From the questions you're asking (as well as the budget you mention), I'm thinking a 968 would be your best bet.
924 ~$2-4k, slow, old-school interior
944 (83-85.5) / 924S: ~$3-4k, low-hp, lightweight, classic
944 (85.5-89) / 944S: ~$4-5k, more modern features (interior), low to mid hp
944 S2: ~$6-8k, More modern development, good hp, heavier, more refined
944 Turbo: ~$8-10k, Fast, very 'upgradeable', refined, yet still a wanna-be race car
968: ~$10-15k, modern, very refined
924 ~$2-4k, slow, old-school interior
944 (83-85.5) / 924S: ~$3-4k, low-hp, lightweight, classic
944 (85.5-89) / 944S: ~$4-5k, more modern features (interior), low to mid hp
944 S2: ~$6-8k, More modern development, good hp, heavier, more refined
944 Turbo: ~$8-10k, Fast, very 'upgradeable', refined, yet still a wanna-be race car
968: ~$10-15k, modern, very refined
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Originally Posted by Boogalou
Are there any substantial differences in reliability or maintenance costs between them?
But then, the benefit of the complexity is that you have alot more upgradability.
It also depends on your intended use. As a daily driver, I'd recommend the S2 or the 968 for their low-end torque.
#12
968.
Personally I think labour estimates on these cars shouldn't be measured in "hours" but in "vile curse words yelled at the top of one's lungs". Usually in reference to Porsche engineers. In order to count, the screamed obscenity should be spontaneous and clearly driven by rage - usually something that would make a sailor blush and for which you'll feel guilty afterwards 'cause the neighbor's kid heard you. A good example might be:
Oil change on an n/a car - 2 or 3
Replacing the heater valve - 8 or 9
Clutch job (n/a) - 50
Clutch job (turbo) - 75
Turbo replacement - 45
Speed/ref. sensor replacement - 20
Fix busted heater clip - 10
See how well this works?!?! I'm suprised nobody thought of this sooner.
Personally I think labour estimates on these cars shouldn't be measured in "hours" but in "vile curse words yelled at the top of one's lungs". Usually in reference to Porsche engineers. In order to count, the screamed obscenity should be spontaneous and clearly driven by rage - usually something that would make a sailor blush and for which you'll feel guilty afterwards 'cause the neighbor's kid heard you. A good example might be:
Oil change on an n/a car - 2 or 3
Replacing the heater valve - 8 or 9
Clutch job (n/a) - 50
Clutch job (turbo) - 75
Turbo replacement - 45
Speed/ref. sensor replacement - 20
Fix busted heater clip - 10
See how well this works?!?! I'm suprised nobody thought of this sooner.
#13
I happen to be a sailor...and dont really curse much working on my 944. I do however find myself saying "Who the hell designed this damn thing?" many many times over. Case in point, the oil filter. Why the hell did they need to put it there....and why so when you unscrew it you dump oil everywhere?
As for which car to purchase, i think its a good idea to drive all 4 varieties before making your decision. There are pro's and cons of every model really. One thing you really need to know is what is the total amount of money you are willing to spend on this car. Also what are your goals with the car, everyday driver, track car, autocross car, freeway dragster. Each car is better suited to different tasks.
Case in point, the 944 Turbo is not the best autocross car, you would want any of the n/a cars for that. They are however top pick in the free way bomber category and make great track cars. If you have a thing for power, the 944 Turbo is the way to go really.
As for which car to purchase, i think its a good idea to drive all 4 varieties before making your decision. There are pro's and cons of every model really. One thing you really need to know is what is the total amount of money you are willing to spend on this car. Also what are your goals with the car, everyday driver, track car, autocross car, freeway dragster. Each car is better suited to different tasks.
Case in point, the 944 Turbo is not the best autocross car, you would want any of the n/a cars for that. They are however top pick in the free way bomber category and make great track cars. If you have a thing for power, the 944 Turbo is the way to go really.
#14
A. 911 oilfilters are worse (Sideways and no way to get anything under them)...
B. Turbo clutch with a 2 peice crossover is IMHO just as easy as a regular N/A. The S2 is easier then both to do clutch job on.
B. Turbo clutch with a 2 peice crossover is IMHO just as easy as a regular N/A. The S2 is easier then both to do clutch job on.
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Originally Posted by Techno Duck
One thing you really need to know is what is the total amount of money you are willing to spend on this car.