JDeitz951

And why is that easily a better sports car than a 951? I am not familiar with them, so enlighten me. Not a better car, a better sports car. I have heard they are quite heavy for their size.

Fishey

One word for 80's japanese cars "Rusty"

Look around for rust like this on hondas and toyotas they almost always have it!

Fishey

They also are prone to fire


Sorry just had to comment!

Micah

Interesting comments.

I will say that I was pretty amused that we were going to have to spend ~35k (for a 330Ci) in order to get a similar feeling of build quality provided by the two-decade old, 4k 944 NA we brought into the dealership lot. Likewise, even the BMW didn't fit me as well as the 944 or offer the same "tucked in, locked down, ready to go" mentality of the 85. I would definitely agree that the NAs are the best sports cars you can get for under 5k.

We ended up going with a VR6 GTI, mostly because it was 10k less than the BMW and was only 5k or so less of a car. It's entertainingly quick, fairly comfortable and quite practical. It also rattles more than the 85 and can't hold a candle to the 944 in the handling department.

We didn’t consider any of the Asian options; even the higher dollar STI’s and EVO’s my cohorts in the squadron drive offer less of a complete package, material and solidity-wise than the upper-echelon VWs. That having been said, they really pay-off in the reliability department (of course). However, provided that maintenance issues with the GTI aren’t excessive (and as of yet they haven’t been) then I’m willing to take the chance of spending a bit more on upkeep as a trade-off for the better quality materials.

Likewise, while I know they have their advocates here on the boards… 240s, DSMs and the rest of the early 90’s Japanese sporty-cars have all had one thing in common for me… their interiors are crafted out of one large lump of plastic

They have (expensive) flaws, but the 944's really are great cars.

Micah

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since you dont want to do the work and find out for yourself ill google some links in here for you... but my feelings are below, im not going to "enlighten" you but ill voice my opinion. the 951 is a SERIOUS sports car, so is the mr2 (turbo)... pit the NA against NA and the mr2 will still win (if both drivers are fairly equal)... I own a very custom 83 944, and i am not ashamed to admit there are a LOT of nicer cars then mine, some of the people on here are die hard "my car is the best blah blah blah" so i know i could of gotten something different for the same price range or hell even less... however at the end of the day, i ride home with the ladies in a PORSCHE, and there is a difference in the owners ect ect, which is why we are all here today!

mid engine, RWD (hence the MR) 2 seater, dunno... sounds like a setup of success through lots of other more expensive companies (ie lotus/ferrari/PORSCHE????) but with japanese reliability...sounds like a winner on the track.

200hp, 0-60 times AND 0-140mph that will match the legendary supra (which IMHO is a far better car than the 951) yes it is portly.. but supras can EASILY hit 450 and 500 rwhp and thats not going all out...

here are some 1/4mile times for the MR2's i googled... id like to see the amount of money (DIFFERENCE) it would take to get your 951 to break 10 second 1/4's... vs a jap MR2..

http://www.madpowaz.com/dragpics/quartermile.htm

so they can handle, and they can be built for some serious speed... isnt that what defines a sports car? even STOCK it is still a 200hp 2 seater ROCKET...

I never used the word better, you did. I just said its another alternative which is less money and the same KIND of performance. great for curves and dying for a straight-away at 100mph and more.

I by FAR believe german cars are supperior to japanese cars, but you have to really shell out some extra $$$ to get that... i really like the new 645 series

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After a half-decade on the market in its prior form, Toyota's mid-engined, rear-drive sports car earned a redesign for 1991. Dubbed "Mister Two," the 2-seater skipped the 1990 model year completely. The reworked version arrived in spring of that year, as an early '91 model.
Bigger and racier in appearance than its predecessor, the 1991 MR2 displayed Ferrari-like styling and offered more power than before. Base models got a 130-horsepower, 2.2-liter 4-cylinder engine, borrowed from Toyota's Celica GT/GT-S. A turbocharged, 200-horsepower 2.1-liter engine, also used in the Celica All-Trac Turbo, went into the Turbo MR2. Both engines were dual-overhead-cam designs with four valves per cylinder, mounted transversely behind the 2-passenger cockpit. A supercharged engine, available in 1989, was not used in the new generation.
A 5-speed manual transmission was standard, with 4-speed automatic optional for nonturbo models. Unequal-size tires and wheels were installed: 195/60 on 6-inch wheels up front, versus 205/60 on 7-inch wheels at the rear. T-bar roof panels were available on the Turbo and the base MR2, but an optional pop-up/removable moonroof could be installed instead.
Riding a wheelbase that had been increased by 3.2 inches, measuring 9.3 inches longer overall, the new MR2 weighed 350 to 400 pounds more than its predecessor. A driver's airbag was standard, and antilock braking was a new option. So was electro-hydraulic power steering.

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and one last thing i found real fast

1999 Prowler V6/A4 253/6400 255/3950 3.89 6 14.7/90 130 CD 7/98
1987 BMW M6 I6/M5 256/6500 243/4500 3.91 6.1 14.7/94 144 CD 7/87
2000 Audi TT roadster T I-4 / M6 225/5900 207/2200 3.32 6.2 14.7/94 140 CD 8/00
1987 Mustang GT V8/M5 225/4000 300/3200 3.08 6.3 14.7/94 137 CD 6/87
1992 MR2 Turbo T I-4/M5 200/6000 200/3200 4.29 6.2 14.7/94 145 RTS 92
1992 Porsche 968 Cab I4/M6 236/6200 225/4100 3.25 6.1


this is a small clip of print from a link ill post below... the 0-60 time is 6.2.... on the MR2, which is .1 second SLOWER than the same year 968...

again, superior- no.. but is it a nice sports car in the sub 10k range, my opinion i guess would be yes

http://www.geocities.com/carspecs/stock.html


thnx for reading all that anyways

JDeitz951

Why should I do any research to defend a point YOU were trying to make?

Anyway, I think you proved the MR2 is a good car and a sports car, but not "easily" better than the 951, in fact not superior at all by your own admission. As far as Supras go, they are fantastic but not cheap.

"The 944 is not even CLOSE to the best "true sports car" under 10K dollars. It is one choice out of many."

Many, as in two? Hmmm...looks like this game is over in the first inning.

JDeitz951

To be completely honest, there was a MR2 turbo I couldn't pass at a DE back in '03 in my 951. Props where props are due. But it could be that driver in the 951 has a lot to learn (still).

streckfu's

Sounds like opinion to me.

Are we comparing modified or stock? If modified, to what standard?

Are you seriously using 200hp and Rocket in the same sentence refering to a production car? Maybe 'rocket' would apply if it weighed 1300lbs.

Gee, all of that in '91........

And what happened from 60-150? Howwould they compare on track, in the canyons?

It is this claim I am disputing. You did not make your case at all.

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Hey i didnt make that original post of the 944 not even close to the best sports car.. back up.. I was commenting on the mr2 being MY choice as the OTHER car... I could pick quite a few other cars in the range that would again give a 951 a proper run for the $$$

VW corrado (supercharged or turbo'd.. your choice of platform right from the factory)
Saab Viggen (Turbo'd) 227hp
RX7
M3 (early model)
300ZX
3000gt (VR4 of course)

hell you can get a cobra mustang for 10k now, that could be a SERIOUS threat to a porsche 944 .... again, maybe not all the handling or whatever.. but they cant claim the raw numbers of a v8 (like the good old shark!)
an integra GSR (against a NA) or, for the extra $$$ the type R
honda prelude (gen3, 92-96 pref.), the 97+ is more refined, less power/weight ratio
VW GTI (my friend has one that dyno'd out at 225rwhp) turbonetics turbo ect..
how about (dont know much about them) but a v6 fiero? they have the v8 northstar conversions cheap ect...

again some of these cars might not excell in certain places, but thats why there is more than one car manufacturer.

so not sure what your problem is by the way your post was, i dont have to defend anything, i was just adding MY one opinion in for a rival to a 951... sorry no one else chimed in but you need to relax. game over end of inning or whatever your last comment was.

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I could care less what you dispute. I was stating MY opinion on the car, you must be one of those "my car is the best blah blah" i was refering too.... I HAVE A 944 ALSO! I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CAR IS.... its not like I have 0 experience... how many MR2's have you driven?

#1) i did state everything was my OPINION on what i felt about the car, so yeah , that was an opinion, i even stated that in the beginning!

#2) comparison is stock to stock, there is NO modified to mod comparison, how can you then judge? I am saying I HAVE seen 500+hp supras at car shows, i have NEVER seen a 500hp 944... ive seen an all motor supra burn his tires off through 5 of the 6 gears (dont ask why, i would never abuse my car like that) but they just make massive amounts of HP

#3) yeah, would you call your 217 stock a rocket? seriously? for what it is and how big the acctual car is YES i would say that, thats why I said it (lol... are you serious?) im sure i could even find QUOTES in magazines if i needed to look hard enough if you would lay money on it where they use that exact wording... A ROCKET... i bet I could, have any $$$ to say otherwise?

#4) 60-150? I dont know, rather than picking someones post apart could you do a little research? I was pointing out little facts I found fairly quickly, I have things to do so I didnt think I had to go all in depth, I think I DID prove it is a Sub 10K production sports car with some serious DRIVER value, just like our cars have. FYI i was just looking for a time for the MR2, funny enough the porsche was right next to it.

funny how a nissan maxima could just eat your 944 or 951 in a straight...


again.. I own a 944... with a LOT of money into it that I wish I had back sometimes.. untill i fire it up and start driving.. but get real, these cars were not hand crafted by god... just a doctor, and a damn expensive one at that

JDeitz951

Hey, no problem. Just want to have a fun discussion, no need to hyperventilate.

I made a proposition: "The 944/951 is ...blah-blah-blah".

I assumed someone would come back with "What about this car, it has this and that over the 944/951...blah-blah-blah".

I don't even CARE if I'm right! (I just think I am.)

Chill! We're just friends having fun. I might be busting ***** a bit, but that's just me. Bust mine right back.

And I KNOW that quote wasn't you! You're being too sensitive.

Micah

funny how a nissan maxima could just eat your 944 or 951 in a straight...

You are putting yourself closer and closer to a ledge at this point... a Maxima, even a 04 or 05 vs a 951?

Disregarding the fact that they are governed to 140... what do they run, a 15 second quarter?

Just walk away.

Micah

streckfu's

I take you've never been in a 951 (much less a modified one) and can only make this statement based on speculation..