$800 to install torsion bars?!?!?! HAHAHA!
05-26-2005 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
Also, $100/hour labor compared to $60/hour makes a big difference on longer jobs (this other shop, Strictly German, charges $60/hour...they specialize in 911's but also do a number of wasserpumpers).
05-26-2005 | 04:50 PM
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The trick is finding shops that don't pad their labor charge by quoting full price.
Simply put, if you dont like the way shops do business then you will have to do it yourself. You should budget at least a weekend because I can almost guarantee it will take you the entire weekend.
Funny story: I told a guy one time how long it was to do ball joints on his F250, he said he wouldnt pay that much. I said ok and before he hung up I offered him the number of a tow company. Sure enough two days later he called me back for the tow truck number.
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05-26-2005 | 05:45 PM
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It isnt padding anything. It is a matter of a fair price for a fair amount of labor...
how long to simply delete em? thats my course of action...
05-26-2005 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
Honestly though, I wonder if anyone has given any thought to converting to a coil spring in the rear.
05-26-2005 | 05:54 PM
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It will take about the same amount of time to delete them - you simply wont have to worry about indexing incorrectly. A PITA any way you look at it. That quote is not bad.
Lol tifo.
Wow, you might be onto a new idea there......................
05-26-2005 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tifosiman
Wow, you might be onto a new idea there......................
Urin 2nd,
It's done all the time... thas the plan for me... I think I'm actually going to be converting some Koni's myself (with the help of a shop)
If you really want that 944's handeling to come alive, I think its the way it should be done.
Tifo, do you know if the M030 is valved the same as OTS Koni Yellows? I need to find out to decide if I need to revalve right away or not. I know OTS (off the shelf) yellows WILL handle 500 pd springs, but thats about the area you start to leave the comfort range.
~Eyal
05-26-2005 | 06:03 PM
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Coilovers don't have an advantage over torsion bars unless you want adjustability. It's just a shame there are no good adjustable shocks for the 944s. IMO, the koni is hardly "adjustable" when you have to take the whole shock off the car - and then its just a guessing game. Shocks is the only reason I see for blowing all that money on rear coilovers as some have very good valving adjustability...
I wonder if a KYB AGX made for a similar car would work on the 944...
If it were me, Eyal, I would go firehawk shocks with some big torsion bars. But then you'll have to commit...
I wonder if a KYB AGX made for a similar car would work on the 944...
If it were me, Eyal, I would go firehawk shocks with some big torsion bars. But then you'll have to commit...
05-26-2005 | 06:53 PM
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You know, for coil rear ends being done "all the time," i sure don't see too many of them. Besides Eyal, your car only runs 2 days out of the month anyway. 
lol!
What's required to ditch the torsions?
lol!What's required to ditch the torsions?
05-26-2005 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by URIN 2ND
So...I called Vision Motorsports nearby just to get a ballpark price because I had no idea what a shop might charge to install a pair of torsion bars.
I was given a quote of $800. To make it seem like a bargain, she told me that also included an alignment and corner balancing.
I'm curious to know if any of you have either done torsions themselves, or had shops install them. I can't see it being more than a few hours of labor. Why the inflated price?!
I was given a quote of $800. To make it seem like a bargain, she told me that also included an alignment and corner balancing.
I'm curious to know if any of you have either done torsions themselves, or had shops install them. I can't see it being more than a few hours of labor. Why the inflated price?!
Aligment and corner balance is a $200 job. So that leaves $600 for t-bars. The job is a 8+hr job so price does not seem that far out of line.
Vision knows how to do the bars. Shop labor costs in general are high.
They can be done at home. I have installed first 28 mm t-bar and hen 30 mm t-bars. Both done right the first time.
05-26-2005 | 07:00 PM
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05-26-2005 | 07:06 PM
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How much does it cost to remove t-bars completly? Labor wise maybe you save $200, but he parts to put coilovers on will cost you $500 MORE that t-bars. So no savingss.
Try to combined t-bars with rear coilover and you must index the bars which is the same cost at t-bar replacement.
PS... you don't need and fancy tool to reindex the bars nor do you need to do it a bunch of times either. Just have a simple tape measure and follow this http://members.rennlist.com/m758/tbarreindex.htm proceedure and you only need to do them once.
Try to combined t-bars with rear coilover and you must index the bars which is the same cost at t-bar replacement.
PS... you don't need and fancy tool to reindex the bars nor do you need to do it a bunch of times either. Just have a simple tape measure and follow this http://members.rennlist.com/m758/tbarreindex.htm proceedure and you only need to do them once.
