View Poll Results: Your opinion of the 968
Awesome
57
55.34%
Not a real Porsche
0
0%
Best engine (944 S3) of the 944 Series
37
35.92%
Too much like a 944
4
3.88%
Excellent Low end torque
18
17.48%
Porsche wanna be
0
0%
Most underrated Porsche of all time
28
27.18%
Don't waste my time with your poll, I'm a 911 owner
1
0.97%
Runs best at over 90mph
5
4.85%
Handles so well, the rear never spins (drifts)
6
5.83%
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968 -- rare? Awsome? Not a real Porsche?
07-09-2004, 06:48 PM
#31
Anders, I like them a lot. To me there's just a little too much mass in the car to make it a lot of fun as a sports car. When one of those lets go it must slide a long way! As an autobahn bomb I'd like to have one.
07-09-2004, 07:00 PM
#32
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Originally posted by Damian in NJ
Anders, I like them a lot. To me there's just a little too much mass in the car to make it a lot of fun as a sports car. When one of those lets go it must slide a long way! As an autobahn bomb I'd like to have one.
Anders, I like them a lot. To me there's just a little too much mass in the car to make it a lot of fun as a sports car. When one of those lets go it must slide a long way! As an autobahn bomb I'd like to have one.
Curb weight: 968: 3,086 lbs
Curb weight: 928GT 3525 lbs
07-09-2004, 07:09 PM
#35
Race Director
Originally posted by Damian in NJ
Let's all put 500 lbs of ballast and see if the car feels any different!
Let's all put 500 lbs of ballast and see if the car feels any different!
Sure the 928 is heavy, but it's no dog - suspension, tires and brakes are well up to the task.
07-09-2004, 07:10 PM
#36
Race Director
This is an interesting comparison:
Modern Motor, August 1989
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After the nimbleness of the 944 S2 and the bursting performance of the 944 Turbo, switching to the 928 S4 was like climbing into a too-large, ungainly, and heavy-to-drive behemoth…but only for the first couple of kilometers.
The 928 has always been one of the most deceptively efficient, fast, and safe cars of all time. The fourth major update, the S4, is all of that and more.
In situations where the 944 Turbo might step its rear end out of line as the turbo power rushes into play on the exit from a tight, damp and bumpy corner, the 928 just sits flat and unfussed.
Most, other than Porsche devotees, might have forgotten about the 928, with its “Weissach axle”, had actually started the current all-wheel steering era. This Porsche design put formerly unwanted changes to suspension geometry as the suspension bushes flexed in cornering to work for it rather than against it. By turning this flexing into rear-wheel steering that aided, rather than detracted from, the cornering power, Porsche gained a degree of four-wheel steer that gives the car uncanny road manners.
I remember some years back a photographer asking me to attack a corner faster and faster in a 928 to try to get some attitude on it to make for a spectacular photograph.
Even after adding, little by little, 50 percent to the original perceived maximum speed for the corner, I could not get the car to do anything other than corner flat and on-line at ever-increasing speed. Its cornering limits were well beyond my threshold of fear.
The latest version is all that and more. This could well be the most efficient car – in handling terms – ever created, barring race cars and super cars like the almost unbelievable all-wheel drive 959.
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Modern Motor, August 1989
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After the nimbleness of the 944 S2 and the bursting performance of the 944 Turbo, switching to the 928 S4 was like climbing into a too-large, ungainly, and heavy-to-drive behemoth…but only for the first couple of kilometers.
The 928 has always been one of the most deceptively efficient, fast, and safe cars of all time. The fourth major update, the S4, is all of that and more.
In situations where the 944 Turbo might step its rear end out of line as the turbo power rushes into play on the exit from a tight, damp and bumpy corner, the 928 just sits flat and unfussed.
Most, other than Porsche devotees, might have forgotten about the 928, with its “Weissach axle”, had actually started the current all-wheel steering era. This Porsche design put formerly unwanted changes to suspension geometry as the suspension bushes flexed in cornering to work for it rather than against it. By turning this flexing into rear-wheel steering that aided, rather than detracted from, the cornering power, Porsche gained a degree of four-wheel steer that gives the car uncanny road manners.
I remember some years back a photographer asking me to attack a corner faster and faster in a 928 to try to get some attitude on it to make for a spectacular photograph.
Even after adding, little by little, 50 percent to the original perceived maximum speed for the corner, I could not get the car to do anything other than corner flat and on-line at ever-increasing speed. Its cornering limits were well beyond my threshold of fear.
The latest version is all that and more. This could well be the most efficient car – in handling terms – ever created, barring race cars and super cars like the almost unbelievable all-wheel drive 959.
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07-09-2004, 07:10 PM
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When the 968's first came out, I thought that it was my dream car. But now, as the brand gets older along with me, my opinion has faded somewhat. I still think its a great car, and might even consider one as a daily driver, but I wish Porsche had differenciated the model more drastically from the 944. And put a damn V-6 in it. I have really tired of the 4-bangers, and I know most of you swear by them, but Jeez, Its very old technology by todays standards, no torque, and a big pain in the ***.
07-09-2004, 07:12 PM
#38
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I drove a 91 928 S4 for a 700 mile Porsche club drive. Wonderfull car, but was noticalbe heavier than my 944 Turbo S. No where near as tossable, but still very competent.
07-09-2004, 07:30 PM
#39
Its very old technology by todays standards, no torque, and a big pain in the ***.
Someone call Honda and tell them to can the S2000 and NSX, I hear the motor is old tech, has no torque (true), and can be a pain in the ***....speaking of ever replace a 7/8 spark plug on a 93+ Camaro?
The HP from the 968 4 cyl is just now being matched by the majority of V-6s. Aside from the aforementioned Honda nothing in a 4Cyl comes close really.
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Someone call Honda and tell them to can the S2000 and NSX, I hear the motor is old tech, has no torque (true), and can be a pain in the ***....speaking of ever replace a 7/8 spark plug on a 93+ Camaro?
The HP from the 968 4 cyl is just now being matched by the majority of V-6s. Aside from the aforementioned Honda nothing in a 4Cyl comes close really.
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07-09-2004, 08:30 PM
#40
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Originally posted by schnellfahrer
The best 944 ever.
When you get tired of the 240HP and ache for more power, you just cram a turbo in there.
I want one.......bad!
The best 944 ever.
When you get tired of the 240HP and ache for more power, you just cram a turbo in there.
I want one.......bad!
07-09-2004, 08:36 PM
#41
I have read that the 968 has unbelieveable mid-range torque. Easy to drive, excellent daily driver.. and with vario-cam maximizing performance rpm per rpm, I just HAVE to try one. Not to mention 232 bhp is DAMN respectable even by todays 4 banger sports standards.
The looks have grown on me and now I want one.
That's our opinion, we welcome yours..
The looks have grown on me and now I want one.
That's our opinion, we welcome yours..
07-09-2004, 09:40 PM
#42
No torque? Ever driven one?? It ain't no S2000, everything above 6,000 revs.
Jeez, Anders, I keep saying I like the 928. And if I wanted one, I'd buy the nicest 95GTS in America. (Or 94? What was the last year?) But to me, it's TOO BIG. Park that car next to mine (my old slate grey coupe for a better comparison) and it looks like a 968 that had an air hose pumped up the exhaust. And the Modern Motor article came out way before the 968, although the S2 is pretty similar . . . minus Variocam and another gear.
And while the Weissach axle is a great design, they didn't need it on the 968. It's generally considered the best handling front engine rear drive mass market car ever made.
Jeez, Anders, I keep saying I like the 928. And if I wanted one, I'd buy the nicest 95GTS in America. (Or 94? What was the last year?) But to me, it's TOO BIG. Park that car next to mine (my old slate grey coupe for a better comparison) and it looks like a 968 that had an air hose pumped up the exhaust. And the Modern Motor article came out way before the 968, although the S2 is pretty similar . . . minus Variocam and another gear.
And while the Weissach axle is a great design, they didn't need it on the 968. It's generally considered the best handling front engine rear drive mass market car ever made.
07-10-2004, 12:46 AM
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07-10-2004, 10:34 AM
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Sweanders, thanks for picking up where I left off.
Anyway, I love having both, the 944S and my 928. The 944 is more "tossable" as some say, but the 928 has all that beatiful torque.
IMHO, Porsche short changed the world when it came to the 944/928 line's. The 944 finally became what it should have been from day one with the 951S. The 928GTS was almost there, still not enough power. I'm not saying they are slow (hell, I own one of the slowest and I'm happy) but we all know both motors were capable of making more power, at a reliable level. There is no reason the 928 couldn't of had 400hp in the GT and 300 in the 968. Well, there is one reason, the 911.
Anyway, I love having both, the 944S and my 928. The 944 is more "tossable" as some say, but the 928 has all that beatiful torque.
IMHO, Porsche short changed the world when it came to the 944/928 line's. The 944 finally became what it should have been from day one with the 951S. The 928GTS was almost there, still not enough power. I'm not saying they are slow (hell, I own one of the slowest and I'm happy) but we all know both motors were capable of making more power, at a reliable level. There is no reason the 928 couldn't of had 400hp in the GT and 300 in the 968. Well, there is one reason, the 911.