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Does anyone make a Big Red conversion kit for an 87 N/A. All my searches have come up short they make them for every model 944 except N/As. If there isn't a specific kit, what can I do to make the kit work for my car. Any help would be appreciated

thanks Greg

hacker-pschorr

Why buy a kit? Find a pair of turbo spindles and hubs. I did a few years ago for around $300. It took a lot of phone calls and researching but it was worth it to keep everything factory original.

If you have to have "big red" find some M030 spindles, not sure what hubs you'll need. I think the M030 brakes are way overkill for even modified street turbo's, but they do look cool.

Matt H

You would have to have turbo spindles, the question is why you need them. You will NEVER use that much brake on an NA unless it is a dedicated track car and then you have to be concerned with class limits.
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M758

I Run stock brakes on my 944 NA race car and I don't need any more brakes.

The old single piston floating calipers are not very sexy, but they do work quite well.

hacker-pschorr

I agree with the performance of the single piston setup. But when I went to 5-spoke wheels, I figured, why not? The brembo's look better. Hey, people spend a lot more money on a lot dumber things to make their car look cool. At least all mine is factory original and complete cost me around $750 for both spindles, hubs, calipers, and new rotors.

Porsche-O-Phile

How big a deal is it to change the spindles (and the other stuff obviously) out on an early n/a? I haven't played around in that area too much so I don't know what's required. Is it just "slide the old one out, slide the new one in" or is there more involved? I'm considering a big red upgrade in preparation for eventual supercharging. Thanks.

tifosiman

Provided that you get the spindles, hubs, bearings, struts, etc from an 86 951, it's all straight forward R/R. Followed by a trip to your local alignment shop once completed.

hacker-pschorr

Tifo, thanks for the reminder, I also upgraded to 951 koni's with paragon's coil-over kit. So the total project was a bit more than I quoted, but you get the general idea.

This was the first project I tackled with my 944. I think getting the tie-rods off was the most difficult, that alone wasn't very hard.

SamGrant951

fyi-I should have a total 86 turbo front setup for sale in the next month or two...well minus struts, Im prob keeping those.

hacker-pschorr

IIRC - 1986 spindles are not the same as 1987 - up


EDIT - I just remembered why. I have ABS on my S, and either I had a hard time finding 1986 hubs/spindles with ABS or it wasn't even an option. Not sure exactly but I know ABS was the issue with not being able to use 1986 Turbo parts on my car.

tifosiman

Doh. I didn't see that he said "87". With that being said, substitute "87" for "86" in my above post..............

I am a 'tard.

Robby

ABS was NEVER an option on 86's, so that was probably the prob...

as for what spindles to buy, I think I'd try to get NON-M030 spindles- from what I understand, they are the biggest prob when trying to add Bilsteins & other shocks & they don't seem to help any either- PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong... also, are the M030 spindles heavier than non-M030 spindles? If so, what are we talking about here? Also, are 968 M030 & Turbo S M030 spindles the same? I know the M030 sways are different & the 968'sa are larger, so...

tifosiman

M030 spindles are set up with the holes in an orientation (radial VS. horizontal) that allows the big blacks, reds, and S4's to bolt directly to them. The non-M030 spindles work with the standard 951/S2 brakes and will work with the others with the proper adapter. I know that they weigh more compared to the early 951 spindles, but I am not certain how they compare (88 M030 VS. 88 standard 951)............

hacker-pschorr

I didn't have a digital camera back in 99 when I did my upgrade. The install pics sure would come in handy now.

Robby - The "standard" 951 brakes are 4-piston brembo's that bolt in from the side of the caliper.
Your car and the M030 option have the 928S4 4-piston brembo's. These bolt on with bolts that actually go towards the rotor (does this makes sense) So the bolt pattern for these two calipers is totally different.

Someone makes a kit to bolt the M030 calipers on the standard 951 caliper. So if you must have the REALLY big brembo's, this is a much cheaper route. I started wanting 928 brakes but every place was charging at least double for M030 spindles. The only problem I see with this adaptor is:
1. I hate adaptors, they may work but make me nervous
2. I think you have to use some type of 993 rotor with this setup. I'd rather stick to 944 parts for simplicity.

The 928S4 rotors are cool, but unless you have huge 18" thin spoke wheels, I doubt it would look much different unless someone was really inspecting your brakes. The standard 951 setup will get the look I think your going for at a much cheaper price.


EDIT - I see Tifo was posting when I was! Tifo, your explination makes a bit more sense! I could not remember the technical term for the difference in the brake's.

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