Just bought a 1988 944S!
04-12-2004, 02:52 AM
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CURSES TRISCADEK!
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Welcome to the board. if you're ever in Colorado with the 944S, I'll buy ya a beer
As for the timing belt tensioning, for some reason I don't trust the after market tools, so I borrow one from my Porsche tech, whom I use when I cant fix the damn thing myself. meet a tech, buy him a beer, get to know him, and borrow his timing belt tool.
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Welcome to the board. if you're ever in Colorado with the 944S, I'll buy ya a beer
As for the timing belt tensioning, for some reason I don't trust the after market tools, so I borrow one from my Porsche tech, whom I use when I cant fix the damn thing myself. meet a tech, buy him a beer, get to know him, and borrow his timing belt tool.
04-12-2004, 08:32 AM
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Sweet, another S owner!
Just to beat this advice to death:
1. Belts
2. Cam chain
3. Chain tensioner (I'm not a big fan of the pad only meathod, since there is a lower pad as well)
I wish I would have taken pictures of my car when the chain broke.
Just to beat this advice to death:
1. Belts
2. Cam chain
3. Chain tensioner (I'm not a big fan of the pad only meathod, since there is a lower pad as well)
I wish I would have taken pictures of my car when the chain broke.
04-12-2004, 09:00 AM
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Since you got the car for a good price, spend a little money now so you can enjoy it. Replace the belts, all the rollers, the waterpump, front seals, and the complete chain tensioner. There are good write ups on all the procedures at www.clarks-garage.com
The tensioner is around $250. Yours may be ok, but maybe it isn't. There's just no way to know for sure. The only thing that is for sure is that if it fails, you will either spend $3000 to repair the damage or have a very pretty, four wheeled garage ornament.
The tensioner is around $250. Yours may be ok, but maybe it isn't. There's just no way to know for sure. The only thing that is for sure is that if it fails, you will either spend $3000 to repair the damage or have a very pretty, four wheeled garage ornament.
04-12-2004, 12:38 PM
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Jfrahm,
You mean the $35 tensioner pad is still carried by Porsche under a 928 application?
If anyone has this P/N, let us know...I can't find anything by searching!
You mean the $35 tensioner pad is still carried by Porsche under a 928 application?
If anyone has this P/N, let us know...I can't find anything by searching!
04-12-2004, 12:48 PM
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I've got one of the pads at home. I'll look at it and post the part # when I get home tonight.
Hey Joel, your old car is going through some major changes right now. It's getting repainted right now. I'll have a lot of pics when it's done. You won't recognize it.
Hey Joel, your old car is going through some major changes right now. It's getting repainted right now. I'll have a lot of pics when it's done. You won't recognize it.
04-12-2004, 01:31 PM
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Good Purchase, and Welcome to Rennlist!!!
Have had my '87 for about four years now and have tried to live meticulously by these rules...
If there are no receipts showing maintenance of a fabled trouble spot...consider that it needs to be checked by a reputable shop immediately.
If there are receipts showing maintenance of a fabled trouble spot, and you do not know personally the shop that did the work...consider that it needs to be checked by a reputable shop immediately. A bolt that dropped out four years after a the previous owner had the head rebuilt (and yes, the receipt was in the impressive stack of papers I got with the car) cost me a ruined vacation and about $5,000 (towing, motels, truck rental, car rental, missed work and the actual repair once I got the car home) all because I trusted that having the receipts actually meant the work had been done correctly.
When you replace something like the tensioner for the chain... replace the whole thing now! You can replace the pads only during later maintenance if you wish, but start with undeniable certainty that the tensioner is perfect!
This is a car worth the statement: "a dollar spent is ten dollars saved". You sound as if you have no delusions about this and thusly I know you'll have many years of satisfaction with your purchase.
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Welcome to the Group!!!
Jim 1987 944S
Have had my '87 for about four years now and have tried to live meticulously by these rules...
If there are no receipts showing maintenance of a fabled trouble spot...consider that it needs to be checked by a reputable shop immediately.
If there are receipts showing maintenance of a fabled trouble spot, and you do not know personally the shop that did the work...consider that it needs to be checked by a reputable shop immediately. A bolt that dropped out four years after a the previous owner had the head rebuilt (and yes, the receipt was in the impressive stack of papers I got with the car) cost me a ruined vacation and about $5,000 (towing, motels, truck rental, car rental, missed work and the actual repair once I got the car home) all because I trusted that having the receipts actually meant the work had been done correctly.
When you replace something like the tensioner for the chain... replace the whole thing now! You can replace the pads only during later maintenance if you wish, but start with undeniable certainty that the tensioner is perfect!
This is a car worth the statement: "a dollar spent is ten dollars saved". You sound as if you have no delusions about this and thusly I know you'll have many years of satisfaction with your purchase.
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Welcome to the Group!!!
Jim 1987 944S
04-12-2004, 02:23 PM
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Here are the part numbers but I was unaware that you could get these parts seperately.
Top Tensioner Pad - 928 105 509 01
Bottom Tensioner Pad - 928 105 347 01
If you can let us know.
Don't trust the automatic belt tensioner because over the years the spring loses some of its integrity and is unreliable. Borrow "the tool" for peace of mind.
Top Tensioner Pad - 928 105 509 01
Bottom Tensioner Pad - 928 105 347 01
If you can let us know.
Don't trust the automatic belt tensioner because over the years the spring loses some of its integrity and is unreliable. Borrow "the tool" for peace of mind.
04-12-2004, 05:38 PM
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Welcome to the 16V club. Do the belts and chain tensioner now. I bought my 944S for $3500 drove 570 miles and paid $6200 for head rebuild and connecting rod bearings. The rod bearings did not need to be done but the out of town mechanic "wanted to take a look while I am in there". That is 10 hours of extra labor. Anyway my balance belt broke on a down shift and dislogded the timing belt. I blame my over enthusiasim and am sharing this with you to motivate you to do the preventative NOW!
I drive my car daily now and love it. I guess I am glad the rod bearings are done because now I don't have to worry about them for now. The pain of the missing money is a dim memory, except when I think of the wheels, rear valance and factory repaint that I would have done. Anyway, enjoy and take care of these items so you can drive with confidence.
I drive my car daily now and love it. I guess I am glad the rod bearings are done because now I don't have to worry about them for now. The pain of the missing money is a dim memory, except when I think of the wheels, rear valance and factory repaint that I would have done. Anyway, enjoy and take care of these items so you can drive with confidence.
04-12-2004, 07:00 PM
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Hi Evan,
Welcome to Rennlist from another Milwaukee area (Pewaukee actually) 944 owner. Did you see this link for Damian's (Lead Foot 944) Wisconsin/Illinois get-together in New Berlin. I'm a good bit older than most of that crowd, but I'm going to try to get over there to meet everyone.
Good luck with the timing belt/tensioner pad repairs. All good things to do if you don't have the records. A good way to learn about your car too if you can do your own maintenance. I have 3 kids and no time so I end up paying for service, but even that's do-able if you keep on top of the maintenance items.
Cheers, Eric
Welcome to Rennlist from another Milwaukee area (Pewaukee actually) 944 owner. Did you see this link for Damian's (Lead Foot 944) Wisconsin/Illinois get-together in New Berlin. I'm a good bit older than most of that crowd, but I'm going to try to get over there to meet everyone.
Good luck with the timing belt/tensioner pad repairs. All good things to do if you don't have the records. A good way to learn about your car too if you can do your own maintenance. I have 3 kids and no time so I end up paying for service, but even that's do-able if you keep on top of the maintenance items.
Cheers, Eric
04-12-2004, 10:07 PM
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First off hi Evan and welcome to Rennlist.
I am currently going through all of this right now. I called the dealer with those #s, the same ones that I got off of my pads. the top pad number is N/A and the bottom one is a good # but it is the whole tensioner.
Eon S.
I am currently going through all of this right now. I called the dealer with those #s, the same ones that I got off of my pads. the top pad number is N/A and the bottom one is a good # but it is the whole tensioner.
Eon S.
04-12-2004, 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by 87_944s
First off hi Evan and welcome to Rennlist.
I am currently going through all of this right now. I called the dealer with those #s, the same ones that I got off of my pads. the top pad number is N/A and the bottom one is a good # but it is the whole tensioner.
Eon S.
First off hi Evan and welcome to Rennlist.
I am currently going through all of this right now. I called the dealer with those #s, the same ones that I got off of my pads. the top pad number is N/A and the bottom one is a good # but it is the whole tensioner.
Eon S.
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04-12-2004, 11:15 PM
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That photo of the broken cam chain tensioner is mine - I posted it last year in March/03 when my tensioner broke. You can see the full posting on my website.
I think the advice posted here speaks for itself. In short - change the timing belt, balance belt, and at 80K, I would also change the water pump and the camshaft tensioner as well. it will be $800-1200 of expense up front, but the long run benefits will be significant (ie, will save an extra $4000-6000 of headache later on).
The 944S is a fun car to drive, it's perky but not ludicrously fast. It's a great car to learn how to do maintenance, as well as learn how to drive and learn vehicle dynamics. This is my third 944 and I am learning them pretty well by now. Email me if you have any questions at all. And welcome
That photo of the broken cam chain tensioner is mine - I posted it last year in March/03 when my tensioner broke. You can see the full posting on my website.
I think the advice posted here speaks for itself. In short - change the timing belt, balance belt, and at 80K, I would also change the water pump and the camshaft tensioner as well. it will be $800-1200 of expense up front, but the long run benefits will be significant (ie, will save an extra $4000-6000 of headache later on).
The 944S is a fun car to drive, it's perky but not ludicrously fast. It's a great car to learn how to do maintenance, as well as learn how to drive and learn vehicle dynamics. This is my third 944 and I am learning them pretty well by now. Email me if you have any questions at all. And welcome