Greg Wood

Getting ready to buy a set of headers for my NA 944. I have heard European makes a good header, but I can't find them. Also, was wondering if they were any better than the MSDS product. Any comparisons? Anyone know who stocks European?

Thanks

Carl Nall

What year NA? If it's an early model, I recommend you consider the Bursch 4-2-1 header (purportedly better all round power, not as peaky as the 4-1). I don't think the MSDS is 4-2-1 and I'm not familiar with the European.

Later model NA... I would simply use the OE header. HTH

Manning

If European is Euro Products, then IIRC the header they sell (or used to) is the MSDS header.

M758

Bursch header is 4 to 1 So is MSDS.

Neither make any hp as shown from 944-spec car dyno testing.
A friend did have a bursch header on spec car and it craked many times at the collector. This was with fixed units and factory replacements. I have not heard about cracks in the MSDS header.

Personally I like stock tubular headers. Even cast iron boat anchors from the early cars are not that bad (may be 1-2 hp lost?). Only issue tis that they are damn heavy.

Carl Nall

I agree about the OE tubular headers BUT...

The Bursch header IS 4-2-1. At ;easet the one I've used for many years. Perhaps your friend was using something else. There's not much of a "collector" on the Bursch seeing as there are just two pipes into one and btw, the header has been bullet proof for about 16 years (admittedly not in heavy usage as in a spec car).

YMMV

M758

Maybe they are different, but this one was a 4 into 1 bursch, purchased in the last year or so with mutiple failures not corrosion related.

Carl Nall

Maybe so, just never have seen a 4-1 Bursch.

btw, Greg et al, some old threads are informative on this topic (particularly last July)... search this forum for "4-2-1 header."

Geo

I also have a Bursch that is 4-2-1.

If there is a Bursch 4-1 it's either quite new or quite uncommon.